<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Darren Overby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darren@rockitcolabs.com" target="_blank">darren@rockitcolabs.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Marc Juul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marcjc@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcjc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Co-working? yes<br></div><div><br></div><div>$200 monthly dues? yep<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>$100 for evening memberships, free & reduced memberships available for people who contribute to the community in some other needed way. </div>
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<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>For profit? nothing stated to the contrary. seems likely.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>The business structure is not a 501(c)(3). Not because I do not believe in and support non-profits, but only because I don't understand how to set them up and manage them.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Now is a great time to learn!<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>
I would actually like to set the finances up as a co-op and have been looking for co-op membership management software.</div><div class="im">
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Hierarchical organizational structure? assumed guilty until proven innocent<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>Actually I have always operated my small businesses as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_hierarchy" target="_blank">Reverse Hierarchical</a> organizations. Which means if someone does shit in the stairway (thanks Dennis), there is frequently no question about who's responsibility it is to clean it up. Mine. :-)</div>
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</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is this a small business? Who is in control? Who profits from this? Who gets to make decisions about the space? Who has the final say? Who pays the rent?<br></div><div><br></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Attempt to make their business venture more successful by luring in hackers from local non-profits? sounds like it<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>I hope not. Noisebridge is the preeminent hackerspace for the world and one I whole-heartedly respect and have supported with financial and in-kind donations over the years. I was reluctant to post to the list, but I also have friends at Noisebridge and SUDO who have expressed interest in teaching free classes in my space and also selling their kits here. Only wanted to make them aware we are open. I got the "cross-pollination" idea from <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Passport" target="_blank">here</a>. </div>
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<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Oh, wait, is the answer: By co-opting existing open communities into for-profit organizations?</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Hopefully not by co-opting but by cooperating where possible. I think we will perhaps serve the (shall I say) "less initiated" and "hacker-curious" people of the world and Noisebridge will always have a loyal following of true "out of the box" thinkers. I'm hoping San Francisco is large enough for a variety of hacker and maker venues and I will always promote Noisebridge as the true Hackerspace. (Rachel - I have removed the Noisebridge branding) </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is still unclear who controls and profits from this. Some of us want to know who and what we are collaborating with and/or supporting before we begin. What you are doing here is similar to launching a piece of software without specifying the license and inviting people to hack on it. <br>
</div></div><br>-- <br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Marc<br></div></div>