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"SF is just so close"? It takes me at least 1 hour to get to NB.
Usually longer than that and if you are driving good luck on
parking.<br>
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San Mateo is an incubator area. Just look what is happening at the
Ben Franklin Hotel.<br>
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As it is I have a house, many here do not, but I don't have any
machine tools. There are builds that you can not do at any of the
High Schools, CSM, Skyline, or Cañada.<br>
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This is also the home of the Maker Fair. Can't get any bigger. We
ran out of space.<br>
<br>
Norman<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/8/2013 8:09 AM, Romy Ilano wrote:<br>
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<div>People were pushing a Sacramento incubator as a hacker space.
That place was not open on weekends & had normal business
hours. It's website had more advisors than hackers on the front
page </div>
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<div>For me you have to actually hack at a hacker space. I don't
favor places where there is too much more socializing and
promotion than actual hacking but that's my style </div>
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<div>I guess that's one extreme where I couldn't call that a
hacker space but ya Sonja is right the definitions are fluid </div>
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<div>I think San Mateo is very challenging for a hacker space set
up. People have more space out there , it atracts suburban
people wuth kids and it's a bedroom community despite the nice
downtown. You're competing with tech shop in menlo park and SF
is too close a draw .. </div>
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<div>Maybe a hacker space with child care??? Or by one of the
(seriously ) social centers or country clubs?</div>
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<div>San Mateo is in a weird position ... SF is just so so close <br>
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<div>Romy Ilano</div>
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On Jul 7, 2013, at 22:48, Sonja Trauss <<a
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<div>No, actual solution: people who are attached to a certain
idea of a hackerspace give a hard time to people who aren't/
had a different idea. People on each side decide whether and
how much to adjust their behavior or beliefs to avoid
future interpersonal unpleasantness. <span></span><br>
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On Sunday, July 7, 2013, Jehan Tremback wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Possible solution: Trademark the term
"hackerspace", sue those who do not meet stringent
ideological requirements.</div>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sonja Trauss <span
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<div>hackerspaces are combination office space and
utopian capital sharing experiment, not to be
confused with just shared work space. A place
where "all you get is a desk and an internet
connection" isn't a hackerspace, it's just a
shared work space, even if the people are doing
programming for work. <br>
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I'm not surprised at all to see someone who's into
hackerspaces for the second reason get annoyed when
he thinks a hackerspce is getting confused with a
work space. <br>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, David Rorex
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true">drorex@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Seriously, give the guy a
break. It's attitudes like Marc's that
drive away people from the "true"
hackerspaces. Live and let live: just
because his space has a different
organizational model than yours doesn't
mean it's some sort of evil masterplan to
steal all your members and get rich by
squeezing money out of them. There are
spaces in sf / oakland that charge $250 a
month and all you get is a desk and an
internet connection. There's room for a
whole spectrum of spaces in the bay area.
Mitch Altman's dream is a day where there
are more hackerspaces than liquor stores.
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<div>On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM,
Steve Berl <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Seems like sort of a blend of
Tech Liminal, Techshop, and a
hacker space. Not clear why you
think it's a bad thing. I don't
see it claiming to be anything
that it is not.
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<div>Steve
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2013 at 3:54 PM,
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<div>On Mon,
Jul 1, 2013 at
3:48 PM,
Darren Overby
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<div>Excuse
the
interruption
Noisebridge
fans, </div>
<div><br>
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<div>In the
interest of
possible
cross-pollination,
I wanted to
let you know
about a new
place to hack
- <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rockitcolabs.com/noisebridge-invite" target="_blank">RocSounds
like a crap
attempt at kIT
CoLabs</a>. </div>
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<div>Co-working?
yes<br>
</div>
<div><br>
Makerspace? yah<br>
</div>
<div><br>
Tech startups?
check<br>
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<div><br>
$200 monthly
dues? yep<br>
<br>
For profit?
nothing stated
to the contrary.
seems likely.<br>
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<div><br>
Hierarchical
organizational
structure?
assumed guilty
until proven
innocent<br>
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<div><br>
Attempt to make
their business
venture more
successful by
luring in
hackers from
local
non-profits?
sounds like it<br>
<br>
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<div>"People
frequently ask
me how I came to
be such an
unconventional
thinker and
unusual serial
entrepreneur.
... " -- Darren
Overby<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>By being
unusually
modest? No? Oh,
wait, is the
answer: By
co-opting
existing open
communities into
for-profit
organizations?<br>
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<br>
If this is
actually a
non-hierarchical
non-profit, then
color me
embarrassed.<br>
<br>
Someone please
let me know that
I'm wrong.
Please.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
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<div>Marc<br>
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