<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Maestro, that's definitely in violation of the One Rule.<div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:21 PM, maestro <<a href="mailto:maestro415@gmail.com">maestro415@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">G. F. Y. .[punto]<br><br><br>message ends<br>________________________________________________________________________________________<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ronald Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Please keep legal advice off the list. This is getting into stuff that you researched, which may or may not be 100% accurate. I would suggest taking these cards to a local lawyer and using a free consultation to see if it is legit in your area. The law is such a grey area and there are so many things you can do wrong (remaining silent can hurt you now sometimes for example). </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Sai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:i@s.ai" target="_blank">i@s.ai</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:05 AM, maestro <<a href="mailto:maestro415@gmail.com" target="_blank">maestro415@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> just a small add-on to this is A LOT of people think rules change in a<br>
> traffic stop as you *must have* been pulled over for something.<br>
<br>
</div>If it's a legal stop, yes. You can't be stopped in the first place<br>
without reasonable suspicion, unless it's a checkpoint.<br>
<div><br>
> you<br>
> only have to crack your window a tiny bit and make sure you lock your<br>
> doors. even if they continue to ask you to roll down the window<br>
<br>
</div>If the detention was legal in the first place, they are allowed to<br>
insist that you roll it down, that you get out of the car, move the<br>
car, etc.<br>
<div><br>
> you<br>
> just calmly say "no, i'm okay with it like this and i can hear you, am<br>
> i being detained? (and on what charge)". and it's the same as the<br>
> street if they don't answer you can calmly say that they're non-answer<br>
> means you are free to go. if they don't answer just say it again "am i<br>
> being detained, and for what charge?" "am i free to go then?"<br>
<br>
</div>There's a fine line there. They do *not* have to tell you why you are<br>
being detained. They don't even have to tell you explicitly *that* you<br>
are being detained, though if you ask and they don't answer you can<br>
say something like "you haven't told me I'm being detained, so as far<br>
as I understand I'm free to go. I'm going to leave now". That is, you<br>
don't get to decide whether you're detained or not, but you get to act<br>
on a reasonable understanding of the situation.<br>
<div><br>
> film them the whole time with your phone or whatever too. they'll ask<br>
> you to turn it off but they can ONLY ask, you DO NOT have to turn your<br>
> camera off ever.<br>
<br>
</div>Mostly true. It has to be in the open. There are some situations in<br>
which they can take it physically out of your hands because of<br>
"officer safety", i.e. because they suspect it is a disguised gun or<br>
the like.<br>
<br>
OTOH if you show them that it's a functional recorder by eg showing<br>
the recording screen, then that claim would evaporate. And the DoJ has<br>
not been friendly at all lately to police officers who act to stop<br>
people from recording them.<br>
</div></div><div><br>
- Sai<br>
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