<p>I think third wave feminism does include men, but that was just what my girlfriend told me. She may not know what she's talking about. <-------SARCASM</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 27, 2013 9:15 PM, "Lupita Berries" <<a href="mailto:garyberries@gmail.com">garyberries@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I'm actually really interested to know what type of feminist theory you subscribe to. Although there are lots of variations in feminist theory, all of them have the core believe that the patriarchy is the oppressor. That means men as a class. Are women now not allowed to name their oppressor? How does this help feminism at all? If anything, this would purpose a huge setback.<br>
<br></div><div>Indians were able to say the British were killing and stealing from them. Blacks were able to say whites were enslaving and lynching them. Are women not allowed to say that men as a class are the ones that are killing, raping, and abusing women? You seem to want to neuter feminism to be more male friendly, instead of actually attacking the destructive culture and system in place that is hurting WOMEN. You are proving my own argument as to why men cannot be feminists. Your behavior isn't helping you. <br>
<br>Also, classic example of calling a woman's arguments "illogical". I've taught logic as a college level, and my job regularly requires my logic skills to be sharp. I doubt I'm the one having problems here. <br>
</div><div><br></div>And your statement about straight people supporting gay rights... That is on so many levels offensive and... I don't really know how to begin explaining the many ways that is wrong. <br><br></div>
Now I am starting to wonder if you are just a lone sheep of ignorance or if you are expressing the misguided thoughts of many other people within noisebridge. I really hope you are just alone in this backwards thinking. <br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM, macegr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:garrettmace@gmail.com" target="_blank">garrettmace@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Not sure where I "brushed off" anything, OR told her that she was doing feminism wrong. She gets to do feminism however she pleases. I only jumped in when she responded to Romy's friendly invitation by lumping all men together into an "oppressor class" which is hard to process as anything but deliberately inflammatory logical fallacy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>How many straight people who support gay rights should be told to shove off?</div><div><div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:37 PM, hep <<a href="mailto:dis@gruntle.org" target="_blank">dis@gruntle.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Oh it's not invalid, just HIGHLY disrespect to brush off the concerns of someone of an oppressed group trying to defend their own group. i mean hey, why would a woman be touchy about some guy telling her she isn't doing feminism right tho, right? <div>
<br></div><div>-hep </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:22 PM, macegr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:garrettmace@gmail.com" target="_blank">garrettmace@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>...followed up by the "labeling a type of argument means the argument is invalid" argument. :)</div>
<div><div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:14 PM, hep <<a href="mailto:dis@gruntle.org" target="_blank">dis@gruntle.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">wow, the tone argument to complete this episode of noisebridge privilege bingo. <div>
<br></div><div>-hep</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:10 PM, macegr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:garrettmace@gmail.com" target="_blank">garrettmace@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>The only definition I challenged was whether a man could consider themselves feminist. There's anything but consensus on whether being a feminist requires a specific configuration of organs, but I believe that a man can want the same things, and that feminism is an idea rather than an accident of genetics. I'm not even claiming that I'm a feminist, though I often identify with their thinking. What Lupita might be on guard against is a sick form of sexism where men purport to be feminists but actually want to gain female approval through white-knighting the movement, attempting to make women dependent on their protection.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But, to be entirely honest...I felt Lupita's phrasing was not what someone would use to reprimand someone and draw them to their point of view, but was constructed purely to ignite controversy. Therefore I thought I was feeding a few breadcrumbs to an obvious troll, which might change your opinion of how reasonable I actually am.</div>
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