<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Yea, I have every right to tell them that. Liberation movements aren't about making other people feel warm and fuzzy inside, they are about actual goals. When feminists have to take energy to make sure men feel comfortable within the movement, it takes energy away from real needs. Feminist is about the needs of WOMEN, not men. Women are already trained very well by society to put the needs of men first, just let us have this one movement that is about US.<br>
<br></div>And I'm sorry to break the actual realities to you, but there are simply things that you are unable to fully understand due to the way you were raised and born. This applies to everyone. An able-bodied will never fully understand the experiences of those with disabilities. A white person will never fully understand the experiences of people of color. A life-long rich person will never understand the experiences and struggle of those born and living in poverty. A man will never fully understand the experience of women. That's life. You can spend all the time you want reading about the experiences of others (and you should, because it'll make you a better and smarter person), but you will NEVER understand the experiences to the level of those who actually have to live through it. You can't logic and reason your way into things that you will never fully understand. <br>
<br></div>Men have only a supportive role in the feminist movement, at most. They have no place telling women anything. Their only supportive action is to control the abuses of other men. All men who want to help feminists, can do it by calling out and stopping other men, NOT "telling" women how to be feminists. <br>
<br></div>Not everything is about you, grow up. You'll be better for it. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM, macegr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:garrettmace@gmail.com" target="_blank">garrettmace@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>No one has a right to be accepted within a movement, but you don't have the right to tell them that they're incapable of identifying with any given cause or movement due to the way they were born.</div>
<div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jul 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Lupita Berries <<a href="mailto:garyberries@gmail.com" target="_blank">garyberries@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Feminism IS NOT about equality, it is about LIBERATION. Equality would mean that feminists want to adopt the same abuse of power as males have within the patriarchy. I'd like to think no feminist wants women to rape and murder as much as men. Plus, I'm highly suspicious of any man that tells an actual woman what feminism is about. This is exactly why men should have no power within the liberation of women, they quickly fall into negative social traits such as telling women what to do and taking over their movements.<br>
<br></div>No one in their right mind would tell black people that they have to include and give power to whites within the black liberation movement. So why do you think it is okay to do that to women? Women are constantly told they have to include men, and that hasn't helped us one bit. Men always grab for the attention and try to "teach" us - as if they could truly understand our experience.<br>
<br></div>Yea, a lot of women have done shitty stuff to other women. There is a whole theory explaining why this happens, I can recommend some feminist literature to you (I don't have time to explain it all in an email). But just because women do shitty things to other women doesn't mean women are the oppressor class. <br>
<br></div>Also, I'd greatly appreciate if you referred to us as WOMEN, and not females. We are human beings, not animals. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:54 PM, macegr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:garrettmace@gmail.com" target="_blank">garrettmace@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>You're wrong. A lot of oppression of females has been perpetrated by females. A feminist is anyone who desires equality for females.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If troll, then well played.</div><div><div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jul 27, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Lupita Berries <<a href="mailto:garyberries@gmail.com" target="_blank">garyberries@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>I would really prefer if you don't use the term feminist to describe men. Feminism is a movement for the liberation of women, for women, and by women. Men cannot be feminists, and it shouldn't be encourage that the oppressor class hijack the movement of an oppressed class. <br>
</div><br>Men at most can be feminist allies, but not feminists. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><a href="http://bitchmagazine.org/post/feminism-miyazaki-and-spirited-away-movie-princess-mononoke" target="_blank">http://bitchmagazine.org/post/feminism-miyazaki-and-spirited-away-movie-princess-mononoke</a><br>
<br></div>Hi, are there any other feminists, male or female who would like to have a happy feminist style film night featuring the works of Hayao Miyazaki? <br><br>I get very disturbed when I see the current cinema out there, I'd like to focus on stuff that isn't a total downer.<br>
<br></div>How do you go about doing the screening? Maybe the vegan hackers and the cosplay people can theme it so that there is hayao miyazaki sushi and bento foods as well .<br></div>
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