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On 7/26/2013 6:41 PM, Dan Cote wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I was one of the organizers of tastebridge for six
months. I also like to cook. I also got sick from cleaning parts
of Noisebridge, wood that has been soaked in piss and shit. The
kitchen had wooden cabinets that were marinated in mouse piss
and shit and dead roach juice.</div>
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Dan, I share your disgust-- i avoid the kitchen, it so foul and
toxic. You have my agreement there. <br>
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I also think the next kitchen runs the same risk, if we do not
remove and PREVENT this on-going mouse, cockroach, and fruit-fly
infestation. I feel Nb operates too much in crisis-mode in many
things-- messes, infestations, inappropriate users of the space,
equipment, money. Not enough planning for success, not enough
prevention of undesirable results, too much reacting to crises.
Another example is Hacker Alley, which ALWAYS descends into such
utter chaos that you cannot even WALK in there. Then a bunch of fine
people spend a day cleaning it up, which is awesome, and thanks. But
then it descends into chaos again. And then again. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">I cleaned some of Tony's mess inside the elevator
shaft. </div>
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for those who don't know, you're referring to human excrement. Thank
you, Dan. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Some hackers resent the kitchen because people use
it for sustenance cooking </div>
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Yes, i <i>almost </i>agree with that: i resent that <i>use </i>of
the kitchen, not the kitchen itself. I feel that's not an
appropriate use of the kitchen, because that's <i>not food
hacking-- </i>they are not food hackers. If this is who you
meant, when you said "people have been complaining about food
hackers", then Dan i suggest it would be more accurate to say
"people have been complaining about NON-food-hackers". <br>
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<div dir="ltr">and leave a mess. </div>
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It's hard to tell, sometimes, who's leaving the mess. How do we know
some of the mess isn't being left by certain full-paying NB members?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">hackers think if we get rid of all our nice things,
(kitchen, public computer terminals, phone, etc) that the oogles
will go away. Wrong. </div>
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I agree with you on that too, Dan. I feel that, effectively
addressing what people are doing in the space will require getting
some clarity on what "hacking" is and isn't, as difficult as that
may seem. My list of "what food-hacking is and isn't" is a modest
effort in that direction. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">I want to help build the next kitchen. </div>
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awesome, thank you, Dan. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Please don't say this was done without consulting
the community. </div>
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i believe i never said that, Dan. I only meant to suggest that food
hackers be consulted about what kinds of kitchen facilities would be
useful for food hacking. <br>
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However, i maintain the Rebase meeting time is unreasonable (same
day as general NB meeting), and inconvenient (too early in the
evening). I feel a decision-making body that will affect the whole
NB community in potentially very significant ways, has an obligation
to go to extra lengths to make the meetings as accessible as
possible, to as many people as possible. This continued refusal to
change the meeting time, and that my requests have yet to receive
even a considerate response from Jarrod and other Rebase organizers,
strikes me as at-best stubborn and unexcellent, at-worst a conscious
effort to reduce accessibility of the meeting. <br>
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It's not like that meeting time was agreed to by the general NB
community. i was present when it was decided to have the Rebase
meetings at 6pm on Tuesdays. I may be mistaken, but i do not recall
any discussion, involving the extended NB community, about Rebase
meeting time. <br>
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At the time, i thought having rebase on the same day as general
meeting would be convenient. Then i discovered:<br>
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a) this can result, sometimes, in 6 hours of straight meetings.
That's exhausting and ridiculous. Some of us do have lives outside
of noisebridge. <br>
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b) 6pm conflicts with my daytime commitments, and i bet i'm not the
only one.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The sci-fi kitchen is an olive branch to the
hackers who say that "Food hacking is not real hacking." </div>
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I think a sci-fi kitchen would be cool and interesting, but i don't
see how it proves anything about food hacking. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">The indoor solar stove is a burner joke. It will
burn down at burning man every year and be considered unsafe for
the rest of society. </div>
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As organizer of the SF Earth Day DIY & Permaculture Village, I
brought in a solar oven exhibitor (earthdaysf.org/diy.html). I can
imagine an indoor version that would be safe. Just takes a little
ingenuity, Dan!<br>
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Thanks again, Dan, for your dedication. <br>
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No response from Dan needed. But Dan, when you say you're "tired of
discussing it", i hope you are not trying to suppress others'
discussion of anything they feel needs to be discussed. <br>
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