<div dir="ltr">I find this whole line of questioning to be really strange and wonder why you even brought it up? plz advz. <div><br></div><div>-hep </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Adrian Chadd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adrian.chadd@gmail.com" target="_blank">adrian.chadd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 29 July 2013 15:18, rachel lyra hospodar <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> (I am re-forwarding to list, in the hopes of keeping public discussion<br>
> public. I'm not in this discussion to get feminist troll jollies, or to do<br>
> pro bono one-on-one lessons in feminist thought. I'm seeking to have public<br>
> culturehacking discussions about issues that are clearly important to many<br>
> members of the NB community.)<br>
<br>
</div>.. and I would've at least liked you to ask if you could have<br>
forwarded the response public. I would've said yes. Oh well, with that<br>
in mind..<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> Your question seems to me to presuppose a parity in this discussion - ie,<br>
> that in a discussion about feminism, the opinions of all should be weighted<br>
> equally.<br>
<br>
</div>My question was actually not about feminimsm. My question was about<br>
your particular open-ness to change your views on a variety of topics.<br>
<br>
And just so people don't misunderstand me, I'll re-quote my question in-line:<br>
<br>
===<br>
<div class="im"><br>
This begs a question, if only to see what it's like from your perspective.<br>
<br>
I completely agree with your "are you willing to modify your position"<br>
outlook. But does this also mean you're willing to modify your own<br>
ideals, morals and opinions? Which ones would you hold steadfastly to,<br>
even in the face of evidence?<br>
<br>
I tend to get some very uncomfortable silences when I ask people this<br>
as they tend to assume I'm trolling rather than seeing if they're<br>
truly as open to adapting to a changing world and accepting their own<br>
shortcomings as they expect others to be. Hence, I'm curious.<br>
<br>
</div>===<br>
<br>
Nowhere here did I once mention "feminimsm." Again, with that said..<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I believe that in a discussion about feminist goals, women are the de facto<br>
> experts. I do not expect blind abasement to my opinions in all matters. I do<br>
> expect that my opinion of [*what women ought to do* in order to try and be<br>
> less oppressed] is more valid than that of a not-woman.<br>
<br>
</div>*nod*<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I further often hear similar sentiments to this email that to me, overall,<br>
> sound like 'why do *you* get to have prime number one opinion?! Unfair!'<br>
> Which seems to indicate a belief that I would hold (or have held) the same<br>
> stance WRT some other discussion that is not supposed to be centered on what<br>
> I think and feel. I change my beliefs all the time, based on evidence I am<br>
> constantly gathering from the world around me. I listen really well to the<br>
> opinions of others, actually. After all, part of how they train you to be a<br>
> woman in this society is to make sure you listen more and speak less. We are<br>
> experts at hearing how your opinions center in your self. We are the half of<br>
> society that is trained to center in others, to listen, support, and learn<br>
> passively. We must undo that training and if you want to help then google<br>
> around 'how to be a good ally'. I promise it starts and ends with listening,<br>
> and has f*ckall to do with you worrying about my personal growth. Worry<br>
> about your own.<br>
><br>
> I only started learning the language of feminism recently, to describe<br>
> patterns I have empirically observed in a way that is more systematized,<br>
> less easily dismissed. Ultimately, feminism is centered on women, what they<br>
> think, feel, and want. It's not about anything except the collaborative<br>
> opinion of a certain group of people.<br>
><br>
> Which seems to be the main sticking point for lots of folks.<br>
><br>
> I invite you to consider that this novel feeling is in fact a reversal of an<br>
> invisible, insidious, and very strong status quo.<br>
<br>
</div>Thank you for your response.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
-adrian<br>
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