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Snail snailtsunami at gmail.com, Wed Jul 31 19:19:00 UTC 2013 wrote:<br>
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>We attract a lot of anarchists or anarchist-interested, and also
some libertarians and libertarian-interested, because ...we don't
have big lists of rules... People like to throw around the word
"anarchism" in Noisebridge or they are saying it kind of jokingly
because of how non-organized we are & that is what they think
anarchy is [chaos], whether that's correct or not.<br>
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You're right, Snail. Anarchy does not mean "chaos", that's a common
misconception. In my view NB has chaos, not for political reasons,
but for immaturity reasons-- kinda like, when i was a kid my bedroom
was always a mess. <br>
<br>
Nor does Anarchy mean "no rules", as i discussed in my post,
"Anarchy Is Not Anti-Structure".<br>
<a
href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-May/037095.html">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-May/037095.html</a><br>
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Although, there's some debate about this. In January 2012, Snail
created a page on the wiki titled "Against policy". Snail quotes an
Anarchist essay, titled "Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology". So
I guess, Snail, you are one of the Anarchists or
anarchist-interested that you mentioned, and you quoted an Anarchist
essay on the Noisebridge wiki in support of having no rules at
Noisebridge. <br>
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<blockquote>The notion of “policy” presumes a state or governing
apparatus which imposes its will on others.<br>
<a
href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Against_policy_%28a_tiny_manifesto%29">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Against_policy_(a_tiny_manifesto)</a><br>
</blockquote>
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My response:<br>
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<blockquote>If people manage their own affairs by collectively
developing a policy which they accept and agree to willingly, then
they cannot legitimately complain of a government imposing its
will on them.<br>
</blockquote>
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When i refer to anarchistic aspects of NB, I'm talking about aspects
which i believe are intentionally inspired by and informed by
Anarchist Theory: leaderlessness and Consensus. These are baked into
Noisebridge, by intentional design, and they are Anarchist. It seems
the "no rules" aspect of NB was also inspired by anarchism. So, I'm
not sure why anyone would be surprised that someone would think NB
is an anarchist project.<br>
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But what's the shame? Anarchy contributes a valuable
deconstructionist perspective-- it's anti-fascist, and I cannot
argue with that. <br>
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But personally, I think a group can be non-fascist, pro-liberty, and
still have some common sense, communally-agreed on policies, which
protect people from those who would impose their own freedoms in a
way that restricts the freedoms of others. <br>
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Like, "dogs who bite people and start dog fights are not allowed." <br>
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