<p>It was poorly worded. My apologies. I think 'nothing seems to be working yet' is more what I meant. Although, some things are beginning to work. If there's anything i can do, please let me know! :)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 9, 2013 2:39 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The way to doocratically create policy change is to convince enough people that your proposed policy will improve NB, such that they voluntarily adhere to it. Like I said before, not easy! But people are in fact trying this, which is why I complained about your statement that "nobody is doing anything about it".<br>
<br>
On 8/9/13 2:18 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:<br>
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Yeah, i know about doocracy and i know there was a rebase. Still, i<br>
think the place would be much better without the kitchen and switch it<br>
to a ''pay what you can'' communal coffee and microwave station. Which i<br>
have brought up a lot. I'm not going to be an enabler for the idealist,<br>
autocratic consensus that knows no compromise by cleaning, etc. there<br>
needs to be a policy change and no amount of doacracy will allow that.<br>
<br>
On Aug 9, 2013 1:54 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com" target="_blank">rachel@xtreme.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com" target="_blank">rachel@xtreme.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Anyone who wants to donate in the meantime, see<br>
<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/__wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/__<u></u>wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues</a><br>
<<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/<u></u>wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues</a>><br>
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On 8/9/13 1:52 PM, Rachel McConnell wrote:<br>
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Nicholas, I think it is unfair to say, "noone is doing anything<br>
about<br>
it". First, lots of people are doing things, but since there is<br>
not a<br>
full consensus about what the problem is nor what is best to do<br>
about<br>
it, sometimes these things counteract each other (e.g. the sleeping<br>
pods) so it's often hard to see. Also, the problem (broadly<br>
defined as<br>
non-hackers doing stuff that impedes hacking) is a hard one to<br>
solve, as<br>
it is not obvious how to a) identify non-hackers nor how to b)<br>
either<br>
make them into hackers or encourage them to not-hack elsewhere.<br>
<br>
Second, if you want changes to happen, please please please make<br>
them<br>
happen yourself! You have heard, endlessly, about "doocracy".<br>
It is<br>
really a thing. That is really how shit gets done at NB. Yeah,<br>
not a<br>
lot of shit gets done, and some things that everyone agrees would be<br>
nice to happen, don't, but that's only because nobody has<br>
stepped up to<br>
actually do them. You could do them, you know. (You too,<br>
everyone else<br>
who is reading this.)<br>
<br>
Daniel, regarding the donation box: it was stolen some time back<br>
according to an earlier thread. I'm in process of making a new,<br>
heavy<br>
and sturdy steel one, but it will take me another week or so.<br>
Anyone<br>
who wants to provide one in the meantime, feel free.<br>
<br>
Rachel1.0<br>
<br>
On 8/9/13 1:44 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:<br>
<br>
Fair enough. I do think a lot of changes at noisebridge need<br>
to be made,<br>
but nothing is enforceable. Sooo, idk. It's just annoying to<br>
keep<br>
hearing the same problem and no one is doing anything about<br>
it. I agree<br>
it's a problem that detracts from other peoples use of the<br>
space. I took<br>
the picture joke too sensitively. It's friday, be happy!<br>
<br>
I do love noisebridge and am upset nothing changes accept<br>
the slow,<br>
entropic demise of the space.<br>
<br>
On Aug 9, 2013 1:35 PM, "Daniel Kelly"<br>
<<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail.com" target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail.com" target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail.<u></u>com</a>><br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail.com" target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail.<u></u>com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
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Nicholas, I carefully excluded clear pictures of<br>
anyone's face from<br>
the photos I posted.<br>
<br>
I wouldn't want to accidentally leak the identity of a<br>
Noisebridge<br>
bunk bed crasher or couch sleeper.<br>
<br>
That could be anyone in the bunk beds. If it was a<br>
couple of body<br>
pillows<br>
plus animated mannequin heads, I apologize. Excellent<br>
hack.<br>
<br>
ok snarkiness off. I'm sorry for being rude. There's a<br>
huge bunch<br>
of homeless guys camping in noisebridge again.<br>
<br>
In an unrelated item, I wanted to drop off my<br>
traditional $10<br>
donation of whenever I walk through the door of 2169<br>
Mission, but I<br>
couldn't find the donation box.<br>
<br>
Have a nice day (really).<br>
<br>
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Rachel McConnell<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com" target="_blank">rachel@xtreme.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com" target="_blank">rachel@xtreme.com</a>>>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Rules? What rules? We have *one* guideline: Be<br>
excellent to<br>
each other.<br>
<br>
It is of course a matter of debate whether the<br>
following are<br>
excellent, or which is less excellent:<br>
<br>
* sleeping at NB<br>
* photographing sleepers at NB<br>
<br>
Rachel1.0<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/9/13 12:54 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:<br>
<br>
I wish you'd do something interesting with your<br>
time in the<br>
space.<br>
Instead you break the rules photographing<br>
people without<br>
their consent.<br>
<br>
The guy in camo pants fell asleep reading about<br>
calculus and<br>
actually<br>
understands java really well.<br>
<br>
Please attend the next meeting, Daniel. I'm not<br>
sure you<br>
understand the<br>
rules of this place.<br>
<br>
On Aug 9, 2013 12:13 PM, "Daniel Kelly"<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail.com" target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail.<u></u>com</a>>><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail" target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail</a>.<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail" target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail</a>.<u></u>>____com<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail." target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail.</a><u></u>__com<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:arrays.tostring@gmail.com" target="_blank">arrays.tostring@gmail.<u></u>com</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
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They look so peaceful<br>
<br>
<a href="http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____fVTplDL" target="_blank">http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____<u></u>fVTplDL</a><br>
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