<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi- I'm a recent guest- and hopefully- 7 years from now when granddaughter goes to college- I will be a full time member:}<br><br>So yeah- I have devout interest in there *BEING* a robust Noisebridge space&community that far ahead. Janus is the meme to adopt. Look forwards in both long&short terms and over our collective shoulder to not forget lessons. Which leads to my take on this... and Janus gets re-invoked. <br>
<br></div><div>I'd gently redirect us to soberly list and deliberate on considerations of facilities viewed only useful as/for Non-Hacking . Some folks even grumble about the kitchen. At the beginning of this month I heard talk of Tube Racks like Gibsonian SciFi as another dreamer faction's hope. Let's call that Janus looking at extremes? <br>
<br>We're thought of by many- a SOCIAL EXPERIMENT in Consensus of Being Excellent - and Noisebridge's stated missions could flower or die if we screw this up. What ARE we trying to be after all? A Hack&Make space that tolerates edgy uses of facilities or do we become TechoKibbutz in overt fashions? Become a chilled steel heartless clone of public libraries? <br>
<br>Some of us can see the schism lines forming in folk's minds before they even finish reading my post, eh? Or can we be MORE than all we've been? By consensus that weighs long and short ends. Are we enabling bad conduct or providing a perk to members? And shall we ever dare to say WHY one views perk or enabling as such? But- we can simplicate a whole lot of this. By simpler rules. We can be: <br>
<br>Making the space "excellent for MEMBERS" above all else. Means what it says and says what it means. <br><br>KEEPING
the space safe&comfortable for Members&Guests ALIKE ... but
that's NOT to be EVER at the expense of any other consideration
either,.<br><br> Members are "why" there is a space at all yet Guests are often future members! Never forget that,eh? <br><br>While not a trivial balance considering that some dues paying members <br>are dead split on ALL these details- Consensus on how to reconcile might be based on such points .Plus whatever boilerplate memes any wish to share for evaluation...<br>
<br></div><div>The closer from my PoV is -<br><br> Use of Facilities is Conditional at all times. Set the terms properly and NB thrives. I<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Oren Beck<br><br>816.632.3695</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Scotty Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scotty@scottyallen.com" target="_blank">scotty@scottyallen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">> Noisebridge is not a hostel, hotel, or a place to live. While it's a place<br>
> to /learn/ how to cook things, or hack with food, it's not a place to MAKE<br>
> food for your own consumption outside of the odd Microwave Burrito.<br>
><br>
> There are far, far better places to do those things.<br>
<br>
</div>And yet, many users of the kitchen and the overnight sleeping<br>
facilities consider Noisebridge, out of the places they have available<br>
to them, the best place to do those things. And therein lies the<br>
problem.<br>
<br>
It will continue to be a problem until Noisebridge becomes less<br>
attractive than the other options available.<br>
<br>
It still boggles my mind that Noisebridge has bunk beds. How can<br>
anyone say that say sleeping isn't permitted at Noisebridge with a<br>
straight face when there are purpose built beds in the corner of the<br>
room? "Oh, yes, those are definitely bunk beds, but despite<br>
appearances, they're not for sleeping."<br>
<br>
Can we declare that experiment a failure already?<br>
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-Scotty<br>
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