<div dir="ltr"><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Noisebridge is about as suitable for duking it out as it is for</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">entertaining the police.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>When it comes to threats and intimidation and the person making them</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>won't leave, then that is the time to get the doors open and get the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>person out, while trying to minimize harm. For that, two people or</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>more should take the person out. Street fights can be extremely</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>dangerous as there are no rules and no referee.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Police are dangerous. They will attack, taze, shoot, beat the wrong</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>people. It has happened many times (STFW) and to me personally more</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>than a few times. The police will always escalate the situation until</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>someone is either subdued or dead and I have personally been beaten</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>very badly by them.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>[snip stuff about common sense, sleeping, etc]</span><div class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
</div></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Well- then we have a new sort of dilemma. Turfing someone absent even the most cursory outreach after the heat has cooled - turns potential Excellent Hackers- into Potential Enemies. And we need Allies, not Enemies. </span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I will be blunt- We can emulate those police tactics you accurately depicted and become their failmode- or we can do better. When I made mention of Self-Defense and Exploit Vectors if we show Kindness- It was a deliberate challenge to see if anyone would champion Kindness... You showed us an impressive compromise of balanced handling/explaining WHY cops are Rarely A Good Idea. </span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Here's my hand off to anyone more skilled at these things than me. </span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">I am as said-NOT a current paying member.. But I intend to be, Someday I wish to live in the bay area and I want Noisebridge to be thriving:} So? I was using a discussion tactic of seeing who would rise to the challenge and Garrett WINS at meeting it... Still- I wish we could do better- That we had a booklet of coupons for any healing agency to send these folks to so they'd be reborn as our BEST members. Our- and Their success stories so to speak. That's the hell of it- We're arguably not just mere "hackers" We're supposed to be SOLVERS!</font></div>
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