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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/12/2013 07:31 AM, spinach
williams wrote:<br>
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<p>> the reason why i sent a lot of emails to the list tonight
is because I wanted to keep each update and subject separate. I
am not spamming the list nor wish to not be considered that I
am. <br>
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> In addition I don't like the list and wish we would "end of
line" it and start over it is now for some the only thing that
updates and represents Noisebridge for some people. It is a
system that is so toxic in drama that a lot of positivity of NB
gets drowned out. </p>
<p>sounds like an act of willful sabotage, purposely using a
system you don't like in a way which, while technically not
incorrect, slows things down for the express purpose of proving
your point. do what you do, but own it next time. the entire
series of messages could've been summed together in a textfile
and sent out as a newsletter -- single message, folks still pick
and choose what to respond to, the mass of it encourages anyone
responding to take their time doing so and really think it out.
you know, consideration in return for consideration. of course a
mailing list is unsuitable for up to the minute surveillance,
rob, that's not the culture a list embodies.</p>
<p>> The funny thing is that I spoke with a hacker from another
space, and they said they were having the same problems with
there list, so I kind of smirk-thinking that this may be a
systemic problem across many hacker spaces and their drama
filled lists.</p>
<p>this is going to happen. we're a bunch of different people
using a space that's been open for ages. cultures shift and
methods of using the space that worked before don't anymore.
gotta listen to each other and change some shit around. it'd be
a lot quieter if we listened to folks different from us in good
faith. though dramatic, it isn't drama -- here's living,
breathing people who deserve respect, even in the event we
cannot share space together. the reason you heard about it
happening in another space is that space is making the same
mistakes in preserving a system long after it's gone toxic. </p>
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What traditional systems have gone toxic at Noisebridge? The toxic
tradition of strict adherence to tradition? The expectation that it
will always be the same as we left it? I see a good number of people
making a good faith effort to communicate and in Rob's case, to
upgrade Noisebridge infrastrcture. It's challenging, hilarious and
inspiring to be there.<br>
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"De sus labios al oído de los dios."<br>
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<p>at least then you know it isn't just us repeatedly failing
those we sell this dream to.</p>
<p>that said, good job reporting on a latenight, maybe apply that
constant push energy into rolling out a tracker (ugh, doesn't
even hide its surveillence) system rather than insisting to us
we need one. do-ocracy, right?</p>
<p>-spinach</p>
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