<div dir="ltr">I was actually expressing my concern about the denunciation of whatever happens in someone's past.<div>It just doesn't seem fair to throw that publicly.<br><div><br></div><div>But I'm happy to hear that this "2nd chance" exists at noisebridge.</div>
<div>I don't know how yet, but I guess I might be banned myself one day, so it's useful to know, lol...</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for this precision ;)</div><div>Cedric.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><div><span>I do respond to all what you rise in your email just the "2nd chance" concerning banning. It is understood long term that non of the bans in Noisebridge is for "life time" it is for "certain inexact period" and after that lets see again. So second chances - yes, but in time.<br>
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<span>That is at least how I feel about that after few years on the list and several involvements with the place.</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif">
<br><span></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><span>Sincerely,</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif">
<br><span></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><span>FAA<br></span></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck</div>
<div><br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</a></div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand
Gandhi<br></div><br> <div style="font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> C. Honnet <<a href="mailto:cedric@honnet.eu" target="_blank">cedric@honnet.eu</a>><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 27, 2013 6:57 AM<div><div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus<br>
</div></div></font> </div> <div><div><div class="h5"><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">This is definitely sad...</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">...but is this "sex offender" reference really related to this particular problem ? (I didn't hear it at the meeting)</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Related or not, </span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">I don't think that it should be publicly spread like that,</span></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"> this kind of</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"> </span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">denunciation is not fair</span></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">.</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">Deserved condemnation or not, w</span></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">hat happened to the right to a 2nd chance ? (what about privacy?)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Isn't Noisebridge about educating people ?</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">What about the doubts for a justice system that might fail ? (it's made by imperfect humans)</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>On the fight itself, I'm just wondering:</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Even at school, do you get definitively banned when you fight ?</span><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">And about banning, </span></font><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I saw a guy calling the police to kick someone out during the meeting. </span><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Can't we do it more properly/excellently ?</span></div>
</div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Personally, I would definitely prefer to be punched.</span><br></div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">On the other hand, I have only heard it and not witnessed it but "power" problems in an anarchist organisation is quite fucked up.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>Just my humble point of view, I hope I didn't offend anyone.</div><div>Excellently yours, (or doing my best at least)</div><div>Cedric.</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br>
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:32:13 -0700</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">At the end of last night's meeting, a consensus proposal was brought to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">ban Adam (Joseph Adam Moore) from Noisebridge. Adam was asked not to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">return to Noisebridge until the Tuesday meeting. I don't feel this is</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">necessary. In cases of physical assult, a zero tolerance policy is in</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">order.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Adam was reported to have struck someone in the neck twice (see notes for</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">details)</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_09_24#Proposals_for_next_week" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_09_24#Proposals_for_next_week</a><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Additionally, Joseph Adam Moore is a registered sex offender.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
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