<div dir="ltr"><div>Since we don't have Clear Blue Lou's weighing of Karma - or Korval's Delm appearing to SOLVE these issues for us.. we're down to mere human agencies like consensus such as it is. <br><br>
</div><div>I see the inherent schism risks of folks liking person X despite X being plainly guilty of "NON-Excellent Crap" <br><br></div><div>Love the sinner whilst hating the sin does bugger all for keeping Noisebridge a SAFE SPACE!<br>
<br><br></div><div>From which I openly and proudly state my viewpoint for what little or much it's valued based on my one rule... Generate No Drama... Folks- are we being fair to all in either side of balance? That's our next step IMHO. to re-establish a sane balance of being SAFE... <br>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Oren Beck<br><br>816.632.3695</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Ronald Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Wow. Judgemental much Nicholas? I would suggest keeping name calling off the list. It is detrimental towards you and people taking about this. You are also saying you don't care if it is true or not, which is also another strike against you. Not saying that I do not think being a sex offender is serious business but yeah. You also have to be aware that I do not think you can legally live in San Francisco and be a sex offender. You have to live X distance from schools, but since SF is so dense, there is no such place. Does Adam live in SF? Could it be a different person with the same name? <br>
Now personally, I think we can help with these issues by having multiple members step up to the plate and actually do SOMETHING for the community. By this I mean whenever the space is open, having a few members there to sort of make sure it is excellent. I am not a member, so I have no such say in things. <br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Nicholas LoCicero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nick.locicero@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.locicero@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Yes, Cedric, there is a zero tolerance policy on fighting at most California schools and kids can be permanently banned from attending. The term is expulsion. It's very common.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 27, 2013 3:43 AM, "Nicholas LoCicero" <<a href="mailto:nick.locicero@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.locicero@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Look at the situation. It obviously matters. If you are as decrepit in morality as that cockroach adam, I don't even care whether or not his sexual offense is truth, just use it to keep him out of the building.</p>
<p>Or realize that when you talk about someone who has recently damaged the hearts and minds of our community, bringing up the pattern is common sense. It's matter of fact. Like someone's driving record.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 26, 2013 4:59 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com" target="_blank">rachel@xtreme.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>Cedric,</div><div><br></div><div>The whole point of the sex offender registry is so that the information can be made public. You are welcome to ignore it. But some people, quite legitimately, wish to take special care when dealing with a person who has been convicted of a sex offense. Consider how few sex offenses are even reported, much less result in a conviction. Chances are close to 100% that a woman you know has been the victim if a sexual assault of some kind. Lets consider giving her a second chance to NOT be assaulted.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cedric. You probably won't be banned from Noisebridge. It is hard to ban people, even known sex offenders. They have many ardent defenders.<br><br>-Rachel</div><div><br>On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "C. Honnet" <<a href="mailto:cedric@honnet.eu" target="_blank">cedric@honnet.eu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I was actually expressing my concern about the denunciation of whatever happens in someone's past.<div>It just doesn't seem fair to throw that publicly.<br><div>
<br></div><div>But I'm happy to hear that this "2nd chance" exists at noisebridge.</div>
<div>I don't know how yet, but I guess I might be banned myself one day, so it's useful to know, lol...</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for this precision ;)</div><div>Cedric.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><div><span>I do respond to all what you rise in your email just the "2nd chance" concerning banning. It is understood long term that non of the bans in Noisebridge is for "life time" it is for "certain inexact period" and after that lets see again. So second chances - yes, but in time.<br>
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<span>That is at least how I feel about that after few years on the list and several involvements with the place.</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif">
<br><span></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><span>Sincerely,</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif">
<br><span></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13.3333px;background-color:transparent;font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif"><span>FAA<br></span></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck</div>
<div><br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org" target="_blank">http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</a></div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand
Gandhi<br></div><br> <div style="font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> C. Honnet <<a href="mailto:cedric@honnet.eu" target="_blank">cedric@honnet.eu</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 27, 2013 6:57 AM<div><div><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus<br>
</div></div></font> </div> <div><div><div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">This is definitely sad...</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">...but is this "sex offender" reference really related to this particular problem ? (I didn't hear it at the meeting)</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Related or not, </span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">I don't think that it should be publicly spread like that,</span></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"> this kind of</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"> </span><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">denunciation is not fair</span></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">.</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">Deserved condemnation or not, w</span></font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">hat happened to the right to a 2nd chance ? (what about privacy?)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Isn't Noisebridge about educating people ?</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">What about the doubts for a justice system that might fail ? (it's made by imperfect humans)</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>On the fight itself, I'm just wondering:</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Even at school, do you get definitively banned when you fight ?</span><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px">And about banning, </span></font><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I saw a guy calling the police to kick someone out during the meeting. </span><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Can't we do it more properly/excellently ?</span></div>
</div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.666666984558105px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Personally, I would definitely prefer to be punched.</span><br></div><div></div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">On the other hand, I have only heard it and not witnessed it but "power" problems in an anarchist organisation is quite fucked up.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>Just my humble point of view, I hope I didn't offend anyone.</div><div>Excellently yours, (or doing my best at least)</div><div>Cedric.</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br>
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:32:13 -0700</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to ban Adam by consensus</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br></span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">At the end of last night's meeting, a consensus proposal was brought to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">ban Adam (Joseph Adam Moore) from Noisebridge. Adam was asked not to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">return to Noisebridge until the Tuesday meeting. I don't feel this is</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">necessary. In cases of physical assult, a zero tolerance policy is in</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">order.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Adam was reported to have struck someone in the neck twice (see notes for</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">details)</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_09_24#Proposals_for_next_week" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_09_24#Proposals_for_next_week</a><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">Additionally, Joseph Adam Moore is a registered sex offender.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105px">
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