<p dir="ltr">Hello john,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Please be aware that I have copied my reply to noisebridge discuss.</p>
<p dir="ltr">My goal is not to seek personal emotional support, or find physical backup from males for confrontations, but to take part in public discussion around these issues.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I acknowledge that it is a tough tightrope to walk, seeking to support the goals of others that somehow seem to simultaneously require your involvement and suggest that the way you are seeking to help is not what is needed.</p>
<p dir="ltr">All I can offer you is the assurance that there IS a way to fully realize a continued commitment to this type of social change. You can continually, PUBLICLY, demonstrate a commitment to this type of social change.</p>
<p dir="ltr">No, thank you, I am not seeking backup or a goon squad to help me enforce some kind of proto-feminist behavioral norms on the group. I am seeking, as always, to be part of communities where there is an environment that doesn't feel hateful. I am publicly discussing some of the reasons noisebridge is not that for me anymore. I am suggesting that, rather than looking to my leadership on this issue, (which is ESSENTIALLY WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DEAL WITH IT & then offering consent), concerned citizens each launch a personal examination of how they think these issues should best be addressed, and try that. I suspect that would be more effective and fulfilling than everyone doing what I think they should do.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Please feel free to ask questions, or seek clarification. Publicly.</p>
<p dir="ltr">R.<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">On Oct 6, 2013 5:51 PM, "John Ellis" <<a href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com">neurofog@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Rachel,<br>
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> I haven't seen Jesse Z around NB, but I have seen Dru (Although I didn't recognize him until later... ). My basic view is NoiseBridge is for everyone interested in hacking/making things, and by NOT enforcing certain standards, it becomes a "boys club" and not so welcoming of newcomers, including women who ARE interesting in hacking/making things and other excellent uses of NoiseBridge.<br>
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> Anyway, I live 4-blocks from NB and can assist for backup "action" to remove people being assholes.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
> John<br>
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> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> So for an example, as per Ron's questions and Jake's clearly related concerns, I will point out that one way of helping to create a safe environment is by you yourself, dear reader, visibly standing up to the objectionable behavior of asshole harasser types, even if one doesn't believe they should be pushed out of the community. A visible ongoing commitment on the part of male-identified non-asshole persons to respond publicly when douchenozzles resurface.... that would really go a long way towards creating an environment that is not conducive to douchenozzleism.<br>
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>> I have been hearing rumors that jesse z, convicted rapist and person who admitted in a meeting to harassing me because he didn't think I was hacker enough, is back hanging out at Ye Olde Noise Bridge. I guess that means he's out of jail for raping that woman at Camp Tipsy. SRSLY WE BANNED THE GUY, BECAUSE OF THIS, SO WHY NO FANFARE FOR HIS RETURN? Remember the fact that he physically assaulted an older, male member of our community as well?<br>
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>> My understanding of where things stand with Dru is fuzzy. I know that after private emails he sent to me and others, i have no interest in interacting with his douchey nozzle. I did some wiki searching and it seems that our process stalled out there. I know that he makes many folks here uncomfortable and, dear reader, you know this too. So then what? 'Don't feed the trolls', as a philosophy, tends to perpetuate the status quo, folks. Ignoring douchenozzles when they talk their douchnozzlery is an implicit social endorsement, and is incidentally a recourse only available to those with privilege along whatever axis the nozzle is douching. <br>
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>> Can someone who is not female pursue these issues with actual action? THAT WOULD BE A FUCKING START.</p>