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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jake and Liz,<br>
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I am concerned the latest proposal will wrap the whole experience
in "kick people out" time, spiraling down a positive feedback loop
until, as Liz points out, the space is unoccupied for many hours
at a time. I have a similar goal of making every moment a time
when people coming to Noisebridge get a proper introduction, but a
different way of going about it. Along side general excellence and
welcoming do-ocracy, I support the proposal to eliminate money
from membership.<br>
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Rather then create an air of power-over or grave responsibility,
we could offer full membership to people who want to commit time
rather than money. I really like the idea of de-coupling
membership from dues, while also requesting that some commitment
be made upon becoming a member (money or time). I can see members
of the future sending a wiki Users link to the treasurer every
month with a sort-of public timesheet or 'this is what my service
to noisebridge has been' documentation.<br>
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A reasonable time commitment includes taking a weekly docent
shift, teaching a class, putting on events, etc... All of which
attract more excellent people to noisebridge.<br>
<br>
kevin<br>
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On 10/21/2013 08:50 PM, Liz Henry wrote:<br>
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happens if all the members leave, for example in the evening?
Does that ever happen?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Jake <span
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My goal is to remove the event of 23:00 being "kick people
out" time. Instead, my goal is to make every moment a time
when people coming to noisebridge get a proper introduction,
and a connection to a Member of noisebridge. As long as
that happens, people can be in the space any time. They
just need to have someone who is a Member in the space say
that they're vouched for.<br>
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Having people fill out a form does nothing by itself. As
the proposal, which passed, is worded, the application needs
signatures of at least two Members of noisebridge in order
for the applicant to be entitled to the space in the "after
hours" without a live sponsor.<br>
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If you are a member, you are welcome to personally vouch for
anyone you see in the space. When they are asked (for
example by Monad) if they have a sponsor, they will mention
you, and if you are present, Monad can talk to you if he has
any concerns about them. It is a simple solution.<br>
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If you are not a member, perhaps it is because of the
financial requirements of being a Member, and this week's
proposal will help by creating Associate Members who can
host guests (and sign applications) while not being required
to make financial contributions. You should become an
Associate Member so you can help people feel welcome at
Noisebridge.<br>
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My hope is that by removing the special time period, we will
embrace this new system of excellence at all times, so that
the only time people will be asked to leave is if they are
somehow detracting from the space and there is no Member
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Kevin wrote:<br>
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I was on docent shift last night. I asked one fella I
found drinking<br>
beer in the stairway to leave. Two folks filed
membership applications<br>
(under the "vouched for" section of the binder), and
remained at<br>
Noisebridge after 23:00. I recognized both people as
having been coming<br>
to NB for several months, and neither had heard of the
new policy. All<br>
told, when I left there were three or four active
hackers in the space.<br>
<br>
On the way out, Monad commented that one day Noisebridge
will be<br>
welcoming to activists again. Thinking of Cypherpunks,
open-source<br>
hackers/contributers, freedom on the web, freedom of
information, etc...<br>
This resonated with me, and I will consider further the
impact of<br>
proposals such as this in these terms. Will limiting
access to NB<br>
attract activists? Will the proposal reduce disruption,
disturbance,<br>
theft to facilitate hacking? Are there better ways for
NB to be more<br>
welcoming?<br>
<br>
At the meeting where this proposal was consensed, John
and I both<br>
strongly stood aside. As such, I have been steering many
to file<br>
sponsorship paperwork to avoid being asked to leave. One
person I've<br>
spoken with is adverse to filing any paperwork at all,
and has not been<br>
at NB form 23:00-10:00. As regards the bug last night,
that's my failure<br>
for not introducing myself and the membership binder to
everyone that<br>
came in the door. I'm not convinced that extending the
outage time will<br>
bring more excellent hackers to NB.<br>
<br>
--Kevin<br>
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On 10/21/2013 05:26 PM, John Ellis wrote:<br>
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HI Jake,<br>
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I didn't think this original proposal was a good idea.
Problems like<br>
you mention below, with genuine hackers being asked to
leave, are<br>
bound to happen at various times.<br>
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jake <jake at <a
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target="_blank">spaz.org</a><br>
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target="_blank">jake</a> at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://spaz.org" target="_blank">spaz.org</a>>>
wrote:<br>
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tl;dr at the end of this post is the amended
consensus item for<br>
this week<br>
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I just found out that an excellen<br>
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