<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hmmm. What happens if all the members leave, for example in the evening? Does that ever happen?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
- Liz<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Jake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Kevin,<br>
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My goal is to remove the event of 23:00 being "kick people out" time. Instead, my goal is to make every moment a time when people coming to noisebridge get a proper introduction, and a connection to a Member of noisebridge. As long as that happens, people can be in the space any time. They just need to have someone who is a Member in the space say that they're vouched for.<br>
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Having people fill out a form does nothing by itself. As the proposal, which passed, is worded, the application needs signatures of at least two Members of noisebridge in order for the applicant to be entitled to the space in the "after hours" without a live sponsor.<br>
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If you are a member, you are welcome to personally vouch for anyone you see in the space. When they are asked (for example by Monad) if they have a sponsor, they will mention you, and if you are present, Monad can talk to you if he has any concerns about them. It is a simple solution.<br>
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If you are not a member, perhaps it is because of the financial requirements of being a Member, and this week's proposal will help by creating Associate Members who can host guests (and sign applications) while not being required to make financial contributions. You should become an Associate Member so you can help people feel welcome at Noisebridge.<br>
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My hope is that by removing the special time period, we will embrace this new system of excellence at all times, so that the only time people will be asked to leave is if they are somehow detracting from the space and there is no Member present who wants to stick up for them.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-jake</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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Kevin wrote:<br>
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I was on docent shift last night. I asked one fella I found drinking<br>
beer in the stairway to leave. Two folks filed membership applications<br>
(under the "vouched for" section of the binder), and remained at<br>
Noisebridge after 23:00. I recognized both people as having been coming<br>
to NB for several months, and neither had heard of the new policy. All<br>
told, when I left there were three or four active hackers in the space.<br>
<br>
On the way out, Monad commented that one day Noisebridge will be<br>
welcoming to activists again. Thinking of Cypherpunks, open-source<br>
hackers/contributers, freedom on the web, freedom of information, etc...<br>
This resonated with me, and I will consider further the impact of<br>
proposals such as this in these terms. Will limiting access to NB<br>
attract activists? Will the proposal reduce disruption, disturbance,<br>
theft to facilitate hacking? Are there better ways for NB to be more<br>
welcoming?<br>
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At the meeting where this proposal was consensed, John and I both<br>
strongly stood aside. As such, I have been steering many to file<br>
sponsorship paperwork to avoid being asked to leave. One person I've<br>
spoken with is adverse to filing any paperwork at all, and has not been<br>
at NB form 23:00-10:00. As regards the bug last night, that's my failure<br>
for not introducing myself and the membership binder to everyone that<br>
came in the door. I'm not convinced that extending the outage time will<br>
bring more excellent hackers to NB.<br>
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--Kevin<br>
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On 10/21/2013 05:26 PM, John Ellis wrote:<br>
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HI Jake,<br>
<br>
I didn't think this original proposal was a good idea. Problems like<br>
you mention below, with genuine hackers being asked to leave, are<br>
bound to happen at various times.<br>
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jake <jake at <a href="http://spaz.org" target="_blank">spaz.org</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:jake" target="_blank">jake</a> at <a href="http://spaz.org" target="_blank">spaz.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
tl;dr at the end of this post is the amended consensus item for<br>
this week<br>
<br>
I just found out that an excellen<br>
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