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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
Norman</pre>
On 10/31/2013 1:29 PM, Jake wrote:<br>
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why are you imagining being asked to leave? if you like
noisebridge, will you consider signing up to be an associate
member?
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you only need two signatures on your application (by members)
before you are allowed in the space any time without an escort.
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once you have four signatures, you're an associate member and can
sponsor other people to be in the space.
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it's really not that hard. I'll sponsor you right now. with this
post.
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- -jake
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Curtis Gagliardi wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">I don't know how much my opinion matters
as a non-member, but as someone who comes to noisebridge as a
place to hang out and
<br>
write code, often until past 11, it's pretty disappointing to
imagine being asked to leave despite doing nothing unexcellent.
<br>
Coming to Noisebridge when I first got to SF without knowing
anyone in the city was already an intimidating experience, I'm
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can't imagine knowing I needed to try to hunt down a member to
vouch for me as soon as possible would have made it feel more
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welcoming.
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Darius Garza
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:313kid@gmail.com"><313kid@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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It's been said a number of times already, but for the
record, I'm also opposed to this members only paradigm shift.
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Don't kill the "golden goose"!
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com"><jim@systemateka.com></a>
wrote:
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To a large extent my complaint is about the
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anger and hostility that radiates from some of
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the email.
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To some extent it seems to me that the
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excitement some feel about others' activities
<br>
is not hacking but getting sucked into the
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politics of community.
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Sure there are frustrating aspects of a
<br>
truly open community, but the approach of
<br>
dealing with problems by policy and fiat is
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clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by
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the Republican party's dictatorial actions.
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On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden
wrote:
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> In fairness about criticizing this new policy...
another policy was in
<br>
> play for only a few weeks and it was already
overruled without giving
<br>
> it the three months allotted to see if it improved
the space.
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>
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>
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> Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are
also complaining
<br>
> about this, aren't they?
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>
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>
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> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jake@spaz.org"><jake@spaz.org></a> wrote:
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> The front page of the website is a wiki. You
can edit it if
<br>
> you think it needs to change. When did you
stop being a
<br>
> hacker?
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>
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> This policy hasn't been in effect a full day
yet, and yet
<br>
> you're full of criticism for it with ZERO
constructive
<br>
> suggestions. [insert joke about constructing
bunk beds here]
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>
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> as for killing the goose that lays the golden
eggs, apparently
<br>
> more people believe that to be true about
people who refused
<br>
> for so long to do anything about the downhill
slide that
<br>
> noisebridge has been in for a long time.
Geese can die from
<br>
> lack of care you know.
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>
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> As for being surprised that members passed
this, another way
<br>
> to word it is that after weeks of discussion
about this issue,
<br>
> all of the members who decided to show up
agreed that it
<br>
> needed to be done.
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>
<br>
> problems are not solved by blocking or
criticising efforts.
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> Problems are solved by making changes until
things work
<br>
> better.
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>
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> As for noisebridge's public image, I empower
you to publicize
<br>
> the subtle concept that the general public is
welcome to stop
<br>
> by and that they will almost certainly be
invited in and given
<br>
> a proper introduction and tour, and that we
are eager to see
<br>
> them.
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>
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> While you're at it please tell them that we
are working hard
<br>
> to replace our current perception by the
public as a place you
<br>
> would never WANT to go with one where you
WILL want to go and
<br>
> hack. And if you refuse to recognize the
reality that the
<br>
> golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge
because of its
<br>
> radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of
people's
<br>
> opinions.
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>
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> -jake
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>
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>
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> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
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>
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> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM
-0700, Jake wrote:
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> in every practical way
nothing has changed at
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> all.
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>
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> [...]
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>
<br>
> Noisebridge continues to be
open to the public
<br>
> 24/7 just as it always was.
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>
<br>
> Do you actually believe those two
statements? I almost
<br>
> expect you to say "not
<br>
> wittingly" next!
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>
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> The front page of the website now
says "Noisebridge is
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> open 24/7 to Members,
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> Associate Members and guests
thereof".
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>
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> It seems pretty obvious that people
who don't know
<br>
> anyone there would, upon
<br>
> reading that, get the impression that
they can't just
<br>
> drop in. I think most
<br>
> people (by a large margin) who have
done awesome stuff
<br>
> at Noisebridge didn't
<br>
> know anyone physically present the
first times they
<br>
> visited the space. So, I
<br>
> think this policy will have a
significant negative
<br>
> impact.
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>
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> As I've said before, I think you're
killing the goose
<br>
> that lays golden eggs.
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>
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> I am especially disappointed that
this extremely
<br>
> drastic change was adopted at a
meeting with only four
<br>
> members present. I hope the
membership of Noisebridge
<br>
> will reconsider this.
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>
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> ~leif
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>
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