<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">My sister does SEO for Members Only and your link to the site, obviously intended as humor, threw me for a loop and I thought her company had installed scary adware into all of my mail clients at once.<div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Lee Sonko <<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org">lee@lee.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>I should note that whatever can be done by consensus can be undone by consensus the next week. Well, actually it would take 2 weeks given the current consensus-created policy. If there is real trouble with the new <a href="http://www.membersonlyoriginal.com/collections/mens-members-only-jackets/products/mens-iconic-racer-jacket">members only</a> policy, it can be changed. </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Darius Garza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:313kid@gmail.com" target="_blank">313kid@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It's been said a number of times already, but for the record, I'm also opposed to this members only paradigm shift. Don't kill the "golden goose"!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" target="_blank">jim@systemateka.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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To a large extent my complaint is about the<br>
anger and hostility that radiates from some of<br>
the email.<br>
To some extent it seems to me that the<br>
excitement some feel about others' activities<br>
is not hacking but getting sucked into the<br>
politics of community.<br>
Sure there are frustrating aspects of a<br>
truly open community, but the approach of<br>
dealing with problems by policy and fiat is<br>
clearly a poor approach, as exemplified by<br>
the Republican party's dictatorial actions.<br>
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On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 22:17 -0700, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:<br>
> In fairness about criticizing this new policy... another policy was in<br>
> play for only a few weeks and it was already overruled without giving<br>
> it the three months allotted to see if it improved the space.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yes, people were complaining about it, but people are also complaining<br>
> about this, aren't they?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> The front page of the website is a wiki. You can edit it if<br>
> you think it needs to change. When did you stop being a<br>
> hacker?<br>
><br>
> This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet<br>
> you're full of criticism for it with ZERO constructive<br>
> suggestions. [insert joke about constructing bunk beds here]<br>
><br>
> as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently<br>
> more people believe that to be true about people who refused<br>
> for so long to do anything about the downhill slide that<br>
> noisebridge has been in for a long time. Geese can die from<br>
> lack of care you know.<br>
><br>
> As for being surprised that members passed this, another way<br>
> to word it is that after weeks of discussion about this issue,<br>
> all of the members who decided to show up agreed that it<br>
> needed to be done.<br>
><br>
> problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.<br>
> Problems are solved by making changes until things work<br>
> better.<br>
><br>
> As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize<br>
> the subtle concept that the general public is welcome to stop<br>
> by and that they will almost certainly be invited in and given<br>
> a proper introduction and tour, and that we are eager to see<br>
> them.<br>
><br>
> While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard<br>
> to replace our current perception by the public as a place you<br>
> would never WANT to go with one where you WILL want to go and<br>
> hack. And if you refuse to recognize the reality that the<br>
> golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge because of its<br>
> radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's<br>
> opinions.<br>
><br>
> -jake<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:<br>
> in every practical way nothing has changed at<br>
> all.<br>
><br>
> [...]<br>
><br>
> Noisebridge continues to be open to the public<br>
> 24/7 just as it always was.<br>
><br>
> Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost<br>
> expect you to say "not<br>
> wittingly" next!<br>
><br>
> The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is<br>
> open 24/7 to Members,<br>
> Associate Members and guests thereof".<br>
><br>
> It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know<br>
> anyone there would, upon<br>
> reading that, get the impression that they can't just<br>
> drop in. I think most<br>
> people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff<br>
> at Noisebridge didn't<br>
> know anyone physically present the first times they<br>
> visited the space. So, I<br>
> think this policy will have a significant negative<br>
> impact.<br>
><br>
> As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose<br>
> that lays golden eggs.<br>
><br>
> I am especially disappointed that this extremely<br>
> drastic change was adopted at a meeting with only four<br>
> members present. I hope the membership of Noisebridge<br>
> will reconsider this.<br>
><br>
> ~leif<br>
><br>
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