<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">What's extreme about that? What's the difference between the public wiki and a public membership binder? Are you suggesting security through obscurity?<span class=""><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>While information may want to be free, yes, I posit that there is a difference between information neatly organized on a publicly available and searchable website, and information contained only in a paper binder. Let me remind you of a parable from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:</div>
<div><br></div><div><div>(<a href="http://www.planetclaire.org/quotes/hitchhikers/#sthash.Sn1c2xWf.dpuf">via</a>)</div></div><div><br></div><div><div><font size="1">"But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."</font></div>
<div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."</font></div>
<div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"But the plans were on display ..."</font></div><div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."</font></div>
<div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"That's the display department."</font></div><div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"With a flashlight."</font></div><div>
<font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."</font></div><div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"So had the stairs."</font></div><div><font size="1"><br>
</font></div><div><font size="1">"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"</font></div><div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div><font size="1">"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."</font></div>
<div><font size="1"><br></font></div><div>(if someone on the list here doesn't get the reference, BY JOVE, READ HITCHHIKERS!)</div></div><div><br></div><div>:-)</div><div>Lee</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div>
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</div></font></span><div><span class=""><font color="#888888">Jeffrey</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><div><br><div><div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Lee Sonko <<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org" target="_blank">lee@lee.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">It seems extreme to force all members to publicly identify themselves on the public wiki. Is there a problem with using the membership binder in the space?</div><div class="gmail_extra">
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM, jarrod hicks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hicksu@gmail.com" target="_blank">hicksu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hello ya'll. Here are the highlights from last nights meeting.</div><div><a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_11_12" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_11_12</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Announcements:</div><div><br></div><div>A. Folks are putting together a new hackerspace in SF. Join us on #sfhackerspace on Freenode.<br>B. Alex Gudkov has just signed a lease on a 3500 sq ft space at Mission & 6th, perhaps for use hacking, or as a coop. Get in touch!<br>
__<br></div><div><br></div><div>Consensus proposals from last week:</div><div><a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Consensus_Items_History</a><br><br>
A. We discussed JC's proposal to secure the space. We agreed the following:<br>
<br>"It should be possible to secure Noisebridge when not in use. Noisebridge should be secured when not in use. All Noisebridge Members and Associate Members should have access to Noisebridge."<br>
<br>We decided to form a cabal to work on the details, and actually build this. We noted that we haven't decided to spend money on this, just agreed on the principle.<br><br>B. We discussed Tom's proposal to make the list of members public. We agreed the following:<br>
<br>"It shall not a secret whether a person is Member of Noisebridge. It shall be the responsibility of each member to identify themself as a member by adding the Category:Members to their wiki user page. Until a Member so identifies, they shall not be entitled to any privilege of Noisebridge Membership. Likewise, if a member is on Membership/Hiatus, they must indicate this by adding the Category:Hiatus to their wiki user page; this method of so identifying shall replace any other notification requirement for going on and coming off hiatus. Although it shall generally be a responsibility shared by all members to ensure that this category of identification is used correctly, in cases where its use is disputed, Noisebridge's secretary shall be the final arbiter."<br>
</div></div><div>__</div><br>Consensus Proposals for next week<div><a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items</a><br><br>A. "As a result of our prior conversation, we collectively propose: If a member has not identified themself as such by adding the Category:Members to their wiki user page by $DATE, they shall no longer be a member of Noisebridge."<div>
<br>B. Tom proposes that:</div><div><br></div><div>"If a paper membership application has been in the binder for more than twelve weeks, that application should be discarded. If that person still wants to become a member, they must start the application process over from scratch."</div>
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