<div dir="ltr"><div><div>But if we don't continue this on-list, who will fuel <a href="https://twitter.com/noisebridge_txt">https://twitter.com/noisebridge_txt</a> ???<br><br></div>[note: I still do not know who runs noisebridge_txt - I suspect it is someone who doesn't actively write to the list]<br>
<br></div>I can consider the conversation finished, however, if you would prefer.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:15 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" target="_blank">jim@systemateka.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
JS: replies interspersed<br>
also, I'm replying directly to you, not<br>
to burden the list further.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 22:51 -0800, Snail wrote:<br>
> I'll be honest that I cannot really pay attention to what you're<br>
> writing because every time I start reading all I hear is, "HUU-MAN<br>
> FEE-MALES!"<br>
</div>JS; that's what you're hearing. You're not<br>
hearing me in that respect.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> [What's the point in even BRINGING UP Ferengi if you aren't familiar<br>
> with the famous misogynistic culture of the Ferengi in TNG/Star Trek,<br>
> who exclusively refer to their women as "females"? Seriously, now I am<br>
> sad. :(]<br>
</div>JS: I have my reasons and you haven't asked<br>
and likely don't care. I'm not familiar with<br>
misogynistic cultures and do not to become<br>
so. Don't think that I am mysogyistic: you<br>
don't know me at all.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z4gtPUP5H6o#t=93" target="_blank">www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z4gtPUP5H6o#t=93</a><br>
JS: I suspect this is unpleasant. I won't<br>
watch it (I don't watch youtube stuff<br>
anyway).<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I also still think it's bullshit to NOT have a formal method of<br>
> helping people with cases of harassment or assault in the interest of<br>
> "helping them find their inner strength",<br>
</div>JS: I think there are dangers to formality,<br>
as I've written. Certainly we should help<br>
others who have problems. Why do you not<br>
acknowledge this aspect of my writing?<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> just because you believe that maybe sometimes we're too harsh on<br>
> people who stalk/harass/assault others.<br>
</div>JS: I think this has been the case.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I think the gent you claimed was asking too many people on dates or<br>
> however lightly you put it is one of the two STALKERS we've ejected,<br>
> and if you can't TELL the difference<br>
</div>JS: I do not have enough facts. I suspect that<br>
you (and others who participated) are correct.<br>
I refuse to judge without knowing facts;<br>
one of my problems with the formalities of<br>
community is the sublime pressures that prod<br>
one to "go along to get along".<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> or see a problem with that then I agree with Rachel that you should<br>
> hire someone to help you grok "what the fuck".<br>
</div>JS: I no longer believe that you're open to<br>
my point of view; I think you want to see<br>
me as <fill_in_your_preferred_word>.<br>
I'll reply to anything you write to me.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:40 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> That may be the case for you; not for me. I<br>
> stand by my claim that Ceren's email was<br>
> antagonistic and insulting.<br>
><br>
> I stand by my dislike that anyone would turn<br>
> too quickly to the community for formal support.<br>
> My meaning is that anyone should try, at<br>
> least, to deal with things with one's self and<br>
> one's friends and to apply to people in the<br>
> vicinity to help deal. That seems healthy and<br>
> potentially strengthening.<br>
> That's my point of view and I do not see how<br>
> it's insulting or unsupportive.<br>
> If you disagree, fine.<br>
><br>
> You haven't answered my question whether you<br>
> are trolling me.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 22:22 -0800, Snail wrote:<br>
> > No one is fooled, Jim. We're all pretty sure this wasn't<br>
> Ceren who<br>
> > instigated a slew of e-mails saying that JIM's ideas have,<br>
> to be<br>
> > polite, slipped the surly bonds of earth. You yourself can<br>
> only be<br>
> > blamed for the responses against you, and you're just making<br>
> yourself<br>
> > look worse for lashing out at this person like they are to<br>
> blame for<br>
> > things you wrote yourself.<br>
> ><br>
> > Anyway, we're all pretty sure here that the unpleasant turn<br>
> - or<br>
> > lulzical dance - actually began with<br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > > As to females being harassed, for cases of<br>
> > > crude coppings of feels, I dislike taht female<br>
> > > turning to the community for support<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails<br>
> > ............. _@y<br>
> > <a href="http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/</a><br>
> ><br>
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> ............. _@y<br>
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> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:40 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> That may be the case for you; not for me. I<br>
> stand by my claim that Ceren's email was<br>
> antagonistic and insulting.<br>
><br>
> I stand by my dislike that anyone would turn<br>
> too quickly to the community for formal support.<br>
> My meaning is that anyone should try, at<br>
> least, to deal with things with one's self and<br>
> one's friends and to apply to people in the<br>
> vicinity to help deal. That seems healthy and<br>
> potentially strengthening.<br>
> That's my point of view and I do not see how<br>
> it's insulting or unsupportive.<br>
> If you disagree, fine.<br>
><br>
> You haven't answered my question whether you<br>
> are trolling me.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 22:22 -0800, Snail wrote:<br>
> > No one is fooled, Jim. We're all pretty sure this wasn't<br>
> Ceren who<br>
> > instigated a slew of e-mails saying that JIM's ideas have,<br>
> to be<br>
> > polite, slipped the surly bonds of earth. You yourself can<br>
> only be<br>
> > blamed for the responses against you, and you're just making<br>
> yourself<br>
> > look worse for lashing out at this person like they are to<br>
> blame for<br>
> > things you wrote yourself.<br>
> ><br>
> > Anyway, we're all pretty sure here that the unpleasant turn<br>
> - or<br>
> > lulzical dance - actually began with<br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > > As to females being harassed, for cases of<br>
> > > crude coppings of feels, I dislike taht female<br>
> > > turning to the community for support<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails<br>
> > ............. _@y<br>
> > <a href="http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/</a><br>
> ><br>
><br>
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> --<br>
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> ............. _@y<br>
> <a href="http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/</a><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr">-Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails<br>............. _@y<br><a href="http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/</a><br>
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