<div dir="ltr">You know what actions I've taken in response to harassment that have felt really empowering, Jim?<div><br></div><div><b>Getting an anti-harassment policy passed.</b></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" target="_blank">jim@systemateka.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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My replies interspersed below:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 13:30 -0800, hep wrote:<br>
> I would like to take this opportunity to point out that this entire<br>
> discussion is a pretty good example of why in 2013 we need a firm,<br>
> clear, anti-harassment policy for noisebridge to take the first step<br>
> for being a truly safe environment for everyone.<br>
</div>JS: I believe such a policy will have negligible<br>
affect.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Here in November 2013, a man is seriously proposing that women*, many<br>
> of whom: may be smaller than many males, non-confrontational for one<br>
> reason or another, alone except for their attacker, and/or may<br>
> possibly have reasons for not wanting to engage physically with a male<br>
> who has just sexually assaulted them, hit their attacker and then<br>
> silence themselves from any community support, over an issue that will<br>
> often be called into question repeatedly as to a) whether it happened<br>
> b) whether it was "enough" to warrent a response, and c) whether the<br>
> victim merely "misinterpreted" what happened to their own body.<br>
</div>JS: I proposed no such thing.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
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> Then that man asks a woman who is upset by the tepid official response<br>
> to sexual assault in the community if she should really be so mad, and<br>
> if she really has the "higher ground" to stand on.<br>
</div>JS: I have previous experience with that person<br>
and stand by my suggestion that she may be living<br>
too much in anger.<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> Then that man goes on to repeatedly back these points.<br>
</div>JS: incorrect, as your description of the points<br>
is largely erroneous.<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> Then that man *claims that the community should support his viewpoints<br>
> because he is somehow a less privileged community member* and deserves<br>
> equal "community support" as a sexual assault victim.<br>
</div>JS: I made no such claims. I suggest that individuals<br>
consider that taking action might be empowering for<br>
them. I do not suggest that anyone necessarily take<br>
action alone, and as someone rightly suggested, taking<br>
action, especially alone, might prove dangerous and<br>
foolish.<br>
><br>
> Just sayin'.<br>
JS: and liking it.<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> -hep<br>
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> I say woman only because he framed that as the example.<br>
</div>JS: yes, and I now regret choosing such a lurid<br>
example. I now wish I'd used a homeless-seeming<br>
and non-hacker-seeming person as an example. The<br>
dynamics would have been more interesting to<br>
explore.<br>
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