<div dir="ltr">I don't think any part of the policy applies to this conversation.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" target="_blank">jim@systemateka.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I'm interested in how you might apply the<br>
policy to harmful language in this thread.<br>
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On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 17:53 -0800, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> I have actually invoked the policy when a discussion arose using<br>
> harmful language on the mailing list. Everyone involved learned a<br>
> valuable lesson about friendship.<br>
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> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> How's it working out in practice?<br>
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> On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 16:31 -0800, Hannah Grimm wrote:<br>
> > You know what actions I've taken in response to harassment<br>
> that have<br>
> > felt really empowering, Jim?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Getting an anti-harassment policy passed.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com">jim@systemateka.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > My replies interspersed below:<br>
> ><br>
> > On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 13:30 -0800, hep wrote:<br>
> > > I would like to take this opportunity to point out<br>
> that this<br>
> > entire<br>
> > > discussion is a pretty good example of why in 2013<br>
> we need a<br>
> > firm,<br>
> > > clear, anti-harassment policy for noisebridge to<br>
> take the<br>
> > first step<br>
> > > for being a truly safe environment for everyone.<br>
> ><br>
> > JS: I believe such a policy will have negligible<br>
> > affect.<br>
> ><br>
> > > Here in November 2013, a man is seriously<br>
> proposing that<br>
> > women*, many<br>
> > > of whom: may be smaller than many males,<br>
> non-confrontational<br>
> > for one<br>
> > > reason or another, alone except for their<br>
> attacker, and/or<br>
> > may<br>
> > > possibly have reasons for not wanting to engage<br>
> physically<br>
> > with a male<br>
> > > who has just sexually assaulted them, hit their<br>
> attacker and<br>
> > then<br>
> > > silence themselves from any community support,<br>
> over an issue<br>
> > that will<br>
> > > often be called into question repeatedly as to a)<br>
> whether it<br>
> > happened<br>
> > > b) whether it was "enough" to warrent a response,<br>
> and c)<br>
> > whether the<br>
> > > victim merely "misinterpreted" what happened to<br>
> their own<br>
> > body.<br>
> ><br>
> > JS: I proposed no such thing.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > Then that man asks a woman who is upset by the<br>
> tepid<br>
> > official response<br>
> > > to sexual assault in the community if she should<br>
> really be<br>
> > so mad, and<br>
> > > if she really has the "higher ground" to stand on.<br>
> ><br>
> > JS: I have previous experience with that person<br>
> > and stand by my suggestion that she may be living<br>
> > too much in anger.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Then that man goes on to repeatedly back these<br>
> points.<br>
> ><br>
> > JS: incorrect, as your description of the points<br>
> > is largely erroneous.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Then that man *claims that the community should<br>
> support his<br>
> > viewpoints<br>
> > > because he is somehow a less privileged community<br>
> member*<br>
> > and deserves<br>
> > > equal "community support" as a sexual assault<br>
> victim.<br>
> ><br>
> > JS: I made no such claims. I suggest that<br>
> individuals<br>
> > consider that taking action might be empowering for<br>
> > them. I do not suggest that anyone necessarily take<br>
> > action alone, and as someone rightly suggested,<br>
> taking<br>
> > action, especially alone, might prove dangerous and<br>
> > foolish.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Just sayin'.<br>
> > JS: and liking it.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -hep<br>
> ><br>
> > > I say woman only because he framed that as the<br>
> example.<br>
> ><br>
> > JS: yes, and I now regret choosing such a lurid<br>
> > example. I now wish I'd used a homeless-seeming<br>
> > and non-hacker-seeming person as an example. The<br>
> > dynamics would have been more interesting to<br>
> > explore.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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