<div dir="ltr">I disagree, I think his behavior has been full of red flags, and shows him continuously discounting the lived experiences of the many women on this list who have responded to him. The <b>appropriate</b> response would have been to listen, apologize, and modify his behavior, instead all he's done is wade in deeper to defend himself by claiming that we didn't understand his very clear statements.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:27 PM, jim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" target="_blank">jim@systemateka.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Characteristically thoughtful. I'm guessing<br>
we've done at least a little of each, exercising<br>
and exorcising.<br>
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On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 04:55 +0800, Oren Beck wrote:<br>
> Dialog about stuff that makes folks bristle can defang the unhealthy<br>
> power we grant to some situations. Being blunt- Discussion can either<br>
> Exorcise or Exercise the Demons of any scene.<br>
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> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:48 AM, hep <<a href="mailto:dis@gruntle.org">dis@gruntle.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I would like to second this. Tho it probably often seems like<br>
> I am just being a super jerk picking on words, I employ<br>
> hyperbolic rewording as a way to demonstrate how what is said<br>
> is often not what is heard. Jim has kept his cool and<br>
> responded without abuse every time, and it gives me hope for<br>
> social change. big ups<br>
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> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Rachel McConnell<br>
> <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I would like to point out that despite my disagreement<br>
> with Jim's opinion, his behavior in this altercation<br>
> has been great. He has read everything and responded<br>
> without sarcasm or dismissiveness to clarify his<br>
> points. If he won't change his opinion, so be it; I<br>
> wish everyone on this list would be as calm and<br>
> respectful when they are called out for something.<br>
> Everyone in the world, actually.<br>
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