<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Al Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You're right, Lee. You made the large changes first, followed by the smaller changes. I had it backwards.<div>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Regardless, "Do not edit this page." is and has always been at the very first line of the page.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hmm. Sorry about that. I saw Tom's edit <a href="https://noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Membership&diff=prev&oldid=35474">here</a> and (incorrectly) thought that he had added the "Do not edit this page..." text on November 12th. I now see that the text has been there for a long time.</div>
<div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>And your second change includes, albeit small, wording changes in addition to the typo corrections. "If you wish to modify it, you should bring up your desired changes at a weekly meeting."</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Let me reiterate:</div><div>- Doocracy</div><div>- Be Bold</div><div>- Trustworthy</div><div>- Tom removed my wiki rights after I did exactly what he suggested I do</div>
<div>- No one has reverted my changes (because, presumably they are fine)</div><div>- <span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I would appreciate it if you restored my bureaucrat and administrator</span></div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">rights on the wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>Lee</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Lee Sonko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org" target="_blank">lee@lee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Let me try responding to Tom's email a different way. Tom wrote:<div>
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<div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.</span><br>
</div></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">---- End of Snippet ----</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Here is my </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">response to each point:</span></div>
<div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information</span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">The information was <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_10_29#Proposal_to_create_an_Associate_Member_role_and_limit_access_to_Noisebridge_24.2F7_to_Member.2C_Associate_Member_and_thoes_hosted_by_M_and_AM" target="_blank">correct as of 10-29-13</a>. Sorry if my information had become wildly out of date a week later.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>, ignoring </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">consensus discussion.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">1- You had placed that notice there just a few hours before. It's bothersome to think you could write something on a wiki and have it stand as the law for all eternity without any questioning. The entire world does not attend all of the same meetings that you attend.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">2- You specifically told me that fixing typos was ok</span></div><div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> When I rolled back your changes and asked you to</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I missed a meeting and was making edits that followed a discussion that had happened 8 days previously. Sue me.</span></div><div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">You are making shit up. Read the full text of my email to you <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-November/040631.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Your melodramatic paraphrasing is not becoming.</font></div><div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I edited the page again following your specific instructions.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div>
Tom, I would appreciate it if you restored my bureaucrat and administrator</div><div>rights on the wiki.</div></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thanks,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Lee</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Tom Lowenthal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@tomlowenthal.com" target="_blank">me@tomlowenthal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Lee Sonko <<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org" target="_blank">lee@lee.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Tom, why did you remove my bureaucrat and administrator rights on the<br>
> Noisebridge wiki and stop answering my emails?<br>
<br>
</div>Lee, I removed your admin privileges to stop you from continuing to<br>
edit the protected page describing our membership process.<br>
<br>
You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring<br>
the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a<br>
consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to<br>
stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,<br>
hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding<br>
information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.<br>
Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.<br>
<br>
Was it also you (IP 71.135.45.119) who edited the anti-harassment<br>
policy page? Perhaps it was someone else. In any event, if<br>
71.135.45.119 is reading: the text on that page is *also* the result<br>
of a consensus process, and should not be edited. In fact, the page<br>
has a banner across the top letting readers know about the policy's<br>
trial period, and how to contribute on Github, which is where we<br>
agreed to work on changes.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
-Tom<br>
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