<div dir="ltr">You're right, Lee. You made the large changes first, followed by the smaller changes. I had it backwards.<div><br></div><div>Regardless, "Do not edit this page." is and has always been at the very first line of the page. And your second change includes, albeit small, wording changes in addition to the typo corrections. "If you wish to modify it, you should bring up your desired changes at a weekly meeting."</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Lee Sonko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org" target="_blank">lee@lee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Let me try responding to Tom's email a different way. Tom wrote:<div>---- Start of Snippet ----</div>
<div class="im"><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.</span><br>
</div></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">---- End of Snippet ----</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Here is my </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">response to each point:</span></div>
<div class="im">
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information</span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">The information was <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_10_29#Proposal_to_create_an_Associate_Member_role_and_limit_access_to_Noisebridge_24.2F7_to_Member.2C_Associate_Member_and_thoes_hosted_by_M_and_AM" target="_blank">correct as of 10-29-13</a>. Sorry if my information had become wildly out of date a week later.</font></div>
<div class="im">
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>, ignoring </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">consensus discussion.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">1- You had placed that notice there just a few hours before. It's bothersome to think you could write something on a wiki and have it stand as the law for all eternity without any questioning. The entire world does not attend all of the same meetings that you attend.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">2- You specifically told me that fixing typos was ok</span></div><div class="im"><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> When I rolled back your changes and asked you to</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I missed a meeting and was making edits that followed a discussion that had happened 8 days previously. Sue me.</span></div><div class="im">
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">You are making shit up. Read the full text of my email to you <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-November/040631.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Your melodramatic paraphrasing is not becoming.</font></div><div class="im"><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I edited the page again following your specific instructions.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div>
Tom, I would appreciate it if you restored my bureaucrat and administrator</div><div>rights on the wiki.</div></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thanks,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Lee</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Tom Lowenthal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@tomlowenthal.com" target="_blank">me@tomlowenthal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Lee Sonko <<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org" target="_blank">lee@lee.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Tom, why did you remove my bureaucrat and administrator rights on the<br>
> Noisebridge wiki and stop answering my emails?<br>
<br>
</div>Lee, I removed your admin privileges to stop you from continuing to<br>
edit the protected page describing our membership process.<br>
<br>
You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring<br>
the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a<br>
consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to<br>
stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,<br>
hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding<br>
information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.<br>
Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.<br>
<br>
Was it also you (IP 71.135.45.119) who edited the anti-harassment<br>
policy page? Perhaps it was someone else. In any event, if<br>
71.135.45.119 is reading: the text on that page is *also* the result<br>
of a consensus process, and should not be edited. In fact, the page<br>
has a banner across the top letting readers know about the policy's<br>
trial period, and how to contribute on Github, which is where we<br>
agreed to work on changes.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
-Tom<br>
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