<div dir="ltr">My mistake. So (and I realize that not everyone pays attention to the mailing list and this thread), does anyone know any members who are okay with sleeping overnight in the space?<div><br></div><div>Also, your approach sounds the same as mine: I understand that making demands doesn't get cooperation. I gently wake people up, tell them my name, explain that sleeping overnight at Noisebridge is unexcellent, tell them they can bring up the issue at the Tuesday meetings if they feel like this is something that should change.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The reason I've found it necessary to ask people to leave the space is because in every case but once if I simply wake them up, they are back asleep within a half hour if they think I've left.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Leif Ryge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leif@synthesize.us" target="_blank">leif@synthesize.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 09:15:32AM -0800, Al Sweigart wrote:<br>
> I'm not sure if there are any members who say they are fine with people<br>
> crashing overnight at Noisebridge (please speak up if you are. I think Leif<br>
> maybe? Or maybe he thinks napping is fine but overnight sleeping isn't?<br>
> Either way, I don't want to speak for him.)<br>
<br>
</div>Ha. I've actually asked numerous people not to sleep overnight at Noisebridge,<br>
and back when we had the hacker stacker napping pods to direct people to I also<br>
woke up presumably non-overnight nappers in the library a few times so that I<br>
could use the couch for sitting.<br>
<br>
Unlike you, I've rarely had cause to ask the same person twice. I suspect this<br>
is because my approach is different: I've introduced myself to them, asked<br>
about their situation, and explained that having the space used for lodging<br>
makes it inhospitable for its intended uses. When I was frequenting Noisebridge<br>
in the morning, I also tended to wait until people woke up on their own before<br>
talking to them about it. In other words, I made an appeal to reason instead of<br>
an appeal to authority. I recommend that you try this approach.<br>
<br>
I've never found it necessary to ask someone to leave the space because of<br>
sleeping (though I've asked plenty of people to leave for other reasons).<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> As for the sleepers themselves, I think one has been an associate member, but<br>
> the rest aren't members. And by far the majority of people who come to<br>
> Noisebridge don't sleep here themselves.<br>
<br>
</div>I think spinach's reply to your comment about "what the community thinks" was<br>
intended to highlight your implicit defining of "the community" to exclude<br>
sleepers. (An actual case of begging the question! ;)<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Meanwhile, the opposition to people sleeping at the space is pretty vocal<br>
> and consistent. The hacker stackers were taken down because they weren't<br>
> just being used for naps. Don't confuse the exception for the rule.<br>
<br>
</div>I think the HSNPs were actually disassembled by Andrew Byrne purely in an<br>
attempt to regain some social capital. I think it's a shame, because they were<br>
actually frequently used for napping and in my experience every individual who<br>
overused them did cease when asked to.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
~leif<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, spinach williams <<a href="mailto:spinach.williams@gmail.com">spinach.williams@gmail.com</a><br>
> > wrote:<br>
><br>
> > clearly, the community thinks different things about it, because part of<br>
> > the community is still doing it<br>
> ><br>
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