<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><br>"Noisebridge is one of the most excluding organizations I've ever been in. :("<br></div><div> <br>When you have time Al, pop in Asia for a bit, after coming back to Noisebridge you will feel like in paradise which is open to all :-)<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck</div><div><br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><div><br></div><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida
Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:35 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8083843151"><div><div dir="ltr">The overzealousness is probably a feature (though I think a problematic one). The reason Noisebridge has such a tightly-shut gate for membership is because any single member can block consensus items, so you don't want to allow someone in who will overuse it.<div>
<br clear="none"></div><div>Then again, that means Noisebridge has a grueling application process that keeps people away (I know plenty of people who've been at the space for years but have never become members). Noisebridge is one of the most excluding organizations I've ever been in. :(</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>-Al</div></div><div class="yiv8083843151yqt7966442295" id="yiv8083843151yqt86767"><div class="yiv8083843151gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8083843151gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Madelynn Martiniere <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mmartiniere@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mmartiniere@gmail.com">mmartiniere@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>My understanding of the
proposal is to re-evaluate Associate Membership in February, so no
definition of what happens if we get rid of them has been provided.<br clear="none">
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I think having consensus on new members is pretty overzealous. Some
combination of the two processes might be better (4 week trial period,
written statement on the wiki, and 4 sponsors seems appropriate to me).<br clear="none">
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Cheers,<br clear="none">
Madelynn<br clear="none">
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<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important;">Al Sweigart</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px;">December 10, 2013
5:12 PM</span></font></div></div></div><div class="yiv8083843151im">
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"><div dir="ltr">Just to clarify,
this would get rid of the concept of associate members? And would not
convert them to being members? Would they still (technically) be able to
come to Noisebridge on their own?<div><br clear="none"></div>
<div>Am I right in saying that basically the idea of having associate
members was to 1) make it easy to become an associate member since no
single person could block it (rather, you'd have to have a unanimous
vote to block someone) and 2) on the other side, associate members
couldn't unilaterally block consensus items?</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>It did always feel like a hack to me. I'd rather
just have the regular members all become associate members since
blocking is such a nuclear option, causing people to circumvent the
consensus process entirely (which leads to drama).</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>-Al</div>
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<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bfb@riseup.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:bfb@riseup.net" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important;">Kevin Schiesser</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px;">December 10, 2013
8:48 AM</span></font></div></div></div>
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"Noisebridge should attach an expiration period of 90 days,
beginning October 29, 2013, to the consensus decision <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="Meeting Notes 2013 10 29" target="_blank" href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_10_29#Proposal_to_create_an_Associate_Member_role_and_limit_access_to_Noisebridge_24.2F7_to_Member.2C_Associate_Member_and_thoes_hosted_by_M_and_AM">to
create an Associate Member
role</a>. All subsequent mutations of the original consensus
should be brought for a second consensus, beginning February 4,
2014.
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See <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items</a>
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