<p dir="ltr">.. And to not speak of Madelynn in the third person as that is totally not what I intend - Madelynn, I'd like your feedback. :)<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">Adrian</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 14, 2013 11:31 AM, "Adrian Chadd" <<a href="mailto:adrian.chadd@gmail.com">adrian.chadd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 14 December 2013 11:21, Mike Schachter <<a href="mailto:cubicgoats@gmail.com">cubicgoats@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I think that dealing with what you perceive as "oddness" is a part of<br>
> dealing with a diverse set of people at Noisebridge. Sometimes while<br>
> teaching classes, certain individuals come to dominate discussions with<br>
> things that aren't on-topic. 100% of the time they were politely dealt with<br>
> (cut off) and the class continued. I'm not saying that my experience<br>
> teaching classes is the same as what happens at the meetings, only that I<br>
> understand how things can easily be sidetracked during a group meeting.<br>
<br>
I'm talking about oddness like someone who was asked to come back to a<br>
Tuesday meeting after anti-social behaviour ending up in a screaming<br>
match, followed by his lawyer making legal threats to everyone there.<br>
Or the discussions around people hiding in spaces to sleep. Or leaving<br>
human crap everywhere. etc.<br>
<br>
> I think Madelynn's suggested approach for Freeside-like meetings are viable,<br>
> and in addition all meeting discussions should be heavily moderated,<br>
> enforcing strict time limits for discussions and debates. I'm very<br>
> enthusiastic about the idea of members voting on things remotely as well. If<br>
> I don't go to the meetings, it means I don't have time to go to the<br>
> meetings, it doesn't mean I don't care about Noisebridge.<br>
<br>
I've noticed that up in San Francisco and Oakland people are very much<br>
for a lack of imposed authority and freedom to .. well, do whatever<br>
the hell you want.<br>
<br>
In some social circles there's a more rigid social hierarchy and set<br>
of expected behaviours that tends to curtail behaviour that's too far<br>
from the norm. Meetings and discussions tend to be different - you end<br>
up with little boat-rocking in an established organisation but with<br>
some unhappy people who don't fit in. So, those spin off and create<br>
new "things" (companies, social groups, spaces, etc.)<br>
<br>
I like her suggestions, but I still think it's worth digging into how<br>
much of that works because of the structure and how much of that works<br>
because of the people involved.<br>
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-adrian<br>
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