<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hey Madelynn,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Here is a list of Noisebridge email lists --- maybe the "policy" list would be close to what you would like. It was established a year or so ago and then people lost interest in using it, I guess. <br>
<br><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo</a><br><br>Perhaps you could use that already existing policy wonks list. Of course, noisebridge-discuss has the most traffic and the most subscribers. <br>
<br>I see Jim's point, and yet I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with having a policy discussion list. If anything juicy or useful gets drafted there through discussion, you could then alert the bigger list, and link to the discussions from wiki pages. <br>
<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Cheers,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Liz<br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Madelynn Martiniere <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmartiniere@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmartiniere@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">This makes very good
sense, Jim. Johnny and Al expressed similar concerns, and I'm inclined
to agree. I retract my suggestion about a separate list.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Madelynn<br>
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<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">jim</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 19, 2013
1:45 PM</span></font></div></div></div><div class="im">
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div> I believe I've got the
gist right, retry: <br><br> For people to participate in the list
they <br>must join it explicitly. <br> For various reasons ("I don't
care", "I'll <br>get around to it later", "I'm not joining those <br>fascists"...)
many people will not join a <br>specific list, hence the discussions
will be <br>among people who are interested at the time the <br>list is
announced. <br> Note that one person's interest does not <br>necessarily
map well to everyone's interest. <br> The tendency of list
subscribers will be to <br>develop a direction with respect to the
personal <br>views of the list subscribers. The result will <br>likely
be a policy proposal that has matured <br>without benefit of dissent. <br><br><br><br><br></div><div><br><br></div></div>
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<a href="mailto:jim@systemateka.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">jim</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 19, 2013
12:46 PM</span></font></div></div></div></div><div class="im">
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div><br> This idea has come
up in times past and <br>not taken hold. The objection seems to be <br>that
a separate list ghetto-izes such <br>discussions away from the general
community. <br> It's a pain to suffer through long <br>discussions
about which one is disinterested, <br>and the remedy is to inspect the
Subject: <br>headings and ignore some. <br> The benefit to keeping
such discussions <br>on the general discuss list is that everyone <br>has
access to the discussions, and any impetus <br>developed by a limited
group is immediately <br>subject to inspection. <br><br><br></div><div><br><br></div></div>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 19, 2013
12:04 PM</span></font></div></div></div></div><div class="im">
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div> (My recollection is)
originally we <br>had declared that we must remember that <br>members
may participate in various, all <br>valid, means: The Tuesday Night
Meeting, <br>IRC, various mailman lists.... <br> Managing these (and
other) media is <br>too great a job for any one person (and <br>thanks
for trying!). <br> My take was to have faith in others <br>and don't
try to fix problems--let the <br>group dynamics take their courses and <br>hope
for the best (and get active with <br>respect to things that impinge
directly). <br><br><br><br></div><div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss
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<a href="mailto:mmartiniere@gmail.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Madelynn Martiniere</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 18, 2013
7:41 PM</span></font></div></div></div></div><div class="im">
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Trying to find community
is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't realize the opinion of people who
care about the future of the space were so criminal.<br>
<br>
Considering this statement in your previous email:
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span><div>And let's be honest,
Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from the<br>beginning) hasn't
been the best establishment to go flaunt around saying<br>you're a
member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends you're a<br>paying
member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for the<br>socially
dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports blazer.</div></span></div>
<br>
<span></span><span></span>Are you saying that it's not worth fixing
because it's so messed up? Because if so, then you're in no position to
tell other people not to try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing
other people try to fix a broken system, then I would suggest the
alternative of just not participating in any discussion about the space.
Just hack some things, and leave the rest of us to find productive
solutions.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Madelynn<br>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 18, 2013
6:37 PM</span></font></div></div></div></div><div class="im">
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div>I'm getting sick and tired
of people thinking they can fix Noisebridge.<br>How can we put an end
to this issue?<br><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss
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