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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">I, for one, am really
pleased to see so much discussion about the future of Noisebridge. <br>
<br>
The conversation about finding solutions for Noisebridge is obviously a
heated topic, and there are passionate views on both sides. That's a <span
style="font-weight: bold;">good thing</span>, it means that people
still care about the space and the community that has been built, and
want it to thrive.<br>
<br>
There are also others who have expressed, particularly in this thread
that they don't believe that a) anything needs fixing, and b) they don't
want to be involved in these kind of discussions.<br>
<br>
For the sake of keeping the discussion going, while respecting those who
don't want to be involved in it, I would like to propose a <span
style="font-weight: bold;">separate list</span> for solution-oriented
discussion about the difficulties that Noisebridge is facing.<br>
<br>
This will hopefully keep down some of the traffic on this list, moving
the focus back to cool projects and hacks.<br>
<br>
I'm unfamiliar with the process, would anyone else be willing to help me
with this (in the spirit of do-acracy?)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Madelynn<br>
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div> (My recollection is)
originally we <br>had declared that we must remember that <br>members
may participate in various, all <br>valid, means: The Tuesday Night
Meeting, <br>IRC, various mailman lists.... <br> Managing these (and
other) media is <br>too great a job for any one person (and <br>thanks
for trying!). <br> My take was to have faith in others <br>and don't
try to fix problems--let the <br>group dynamics take their courses and <br>hope
for the best (and get active with <br>respect to things that impinge
directly). <br><br><br><br></div><div><!----><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss
mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</a><br></div></div>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 18, 2013
7:41 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
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Trying to find community
is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't realize the opinion of people who
care about the future of the space were so criminal.<br>
<br>
Considering this statement in your previous email:
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span><div>And let's be honest,
Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from the<br>beginning) hasn't
been the best establishment to go flaunt around saying<br>you're a
member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends you're a<br>paying
member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for the<br>socially
dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports blazer.</div></span></div>
<br>
<span></span><span></span>Are you saying that it's not worth fixing
because it's so messed up? Because if so, then you're in no position to
tell other people not to try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing
other people try to fix a broken system, then I would suggest the
alternative of just not participating in any discussion about the space.
Just hack some things, and leave the rest of us to find productive
solutions.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Madelynn<br>
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<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>I'm getting sick and tired
of people thinking they can fix Noisebridge.<br>How can we put an end
to this issue?<br><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss
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<div class="moz-signature">-- <br><span><span><div><small><font
color="#000000"><big>Madelynn Martiniere<br>
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