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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">I think you miss my
intention, I never mentioned it being a limited group? Currently all our
groups are open to anyone who subscribes. <br>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 19, 2013
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div><br> This idea has come
up in times past and <br>not taken hold. The objection seems to be <br>that
a separate list ghetto-izes such <br>discussions away from the general
community. <br> It's a pain to suffer through long <br>discussions
about which one is disinterested, <br>and the remedy is to inspect the
Subject: <br>headings and ignore some. <br> The benefit to keeping
such discussions <br>on the general discuss list is that everyone <br>has
access to the discussions, and any impetus <br>developed by a limited
group is immediately <br>subject to inspection. <br><br><br></div><div><!----><br><br></div></div>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 19, 2013
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div> (My recollection is)
originally we <br>had declared that we must remember that <br>members
may participate in various, all <br>valid, means: The Tuesday Night
Meeting, <br>IRC, various mailman lists.... <br> Managing these (and
other) media is <br>too great a job for any one person (and <br>thanks
for trying!). <br> My take was to have faith in others <br>and don't
try to fix problems--let the <br>group dynamics take their courses and <br>hope
for the best (and get active with <br>respect to things that impinge
directly). <br><br><br><br></div><div><!----><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 18, 2013
7:41 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
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Trying to find community
is a thought crime? My bad, I didn't realize the opinion of people who
care about the future of the space were so criminal.<br>
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Considering this statement in your previous email:
<div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span><div>And let's be honest,
Noisebridge in the last two years (or even from the<br>beginning) hasn't
been the best establishment to go flaunt around saying<br>you're a
member of. It's sort of like telling all your friends you're a<br>paying
member of the festering techno trash dump and care home for the<br>socially
dongz, while mice and rats run around inside your sports blazer.</div></span></div>
<br>
<span></span><span></span>Are you saying that it's not worth fixing
because it's so messed up? Because if so, then you're in no position to
tell other people not to try. If you're that sick and tired of hearing
other people try to fix a broken system, then I would suggest the
alternative of just not participating in any discussion about the space.
Just hack some things, and leave the rest of us to find productive
solutions.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Madelynn<br>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">December 18, 2013
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<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>I'm getting sick and tired
of people thinking they can fix Noisebridge.<br>How can we put an end
to this issue?<br><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss
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<div class="moz-signature">-- <br><span><span><div><small><font
color="#000000"><big>Madelynn Martiniere<br>
Community Engineer. Entrepreneur. Geek.</big><big><br>
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