<div dir="ltr">I prefer to use terms like "they/them" when trying to be gender neutral, because you can use them and have people immediately understand exactly what you mean, whereas most folks haven't heard of constructed terms like e/ze. �This is especially true if someone expresses a preference for these terms, like Pidgeon has. �Lets try to be respectful and use their preferred terms when referring to them.<div>
<br></div><div>Gerunds can be really a useful tool for eliminating pronouns altogether. �For example, instead of saying "I think he made a thoughtless, but unintentional, mistake when <b>he</b> referred to Pigeon with the wrong pronouns" you could say "I think he made a thoughtless, but unintentional, mistake when referr<b>ing</b> to Pigeon with the wrong pronouns."<br>
<div><br></div><div>With that said, it's understandable that we will occasionally muck up, because it's really hard to break lifelong habits. �What matters is how we act when those mistakes are pointed out: do we get defensive and angry, or do we apologize and try to do better in the future? �I generally start with the assumption that people aren't being malicious unless they do it repeatedly or act poorly when called out on it.</div>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Tom Lowenthal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@tomlowenthal.com" target="_blank">me@tomlowenthal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">Paul Monad <<a href="mailto:immonad@yahoo.com">immonad@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Correction, �my main objection was that Pigeon was 1. �He was asked to leave<br>
> by Rayc two days before and not return before the next Tuesday meeting. He<br>
> did not honor that . �2. �When asked to leave again for that reason by a<br>
> group of six or seven people he refused.<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">Tom Lowenthal <<a href="mailto:me@tomlowenthal.com">me@tomlowenthal.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Monad I think that it's pretty unfortunate that you chose to use �he�<br>
> to describe Pigeon here, despite being asked multiple times to use the<br>
> pronoun �they�. That's pretty disrespectful, especially while we're<br>
> actually having a conversation about pronoun needs.<br>
<br>
</div>On 22 December 2013 01:32, Paul Monad <<a href="mailto:immonad@yahoo.com">immonad@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Thank you I stand corrected. �Forgot E may be reading this.<br>
<br>
Monad, you don't get to pick Pigeon's pronouns. Pigeon has stated a<br>
preference for �they�, not �he�, not �e�, but �they�. Please use<br>
�they� what talking about Pigeon. It doesn't matter whether they're<br>
reading it, it still shows a lack of respect not to use their<br>
preferred pronouns.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">-Tom<br>
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