<div dir="ltr">It would help clarify what is expected and have a consistent guideline for docents/redshirts/whoever to read that was accepted by the community. Currently, consensus makes this impossible because for any rule someone will object and block.<div>
<br></div><div>My current solution is to email the list saying "I'm going to throw out old food/toss stuff on the floor of the member shelves/wake up and boot sleepers to the mailing list" and see who objects. This is not sustainable, and it unfairly favors people with strong and willful personalities.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Having community-approved guidelines is an obvious solution (and sidesteps the creepy rule-enforcer problem) but one that consensus makes impossible. I know I sound like a broken record when I say "consensus causes problems", but that's because consensus is pretty broad when it comes to the problems it creates.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Al</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Johny Radio <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnyradio@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnyradio@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 12/23/2013 3:55:02 PM, "Danny O'Brien" <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Johny Radio <<a href="mailto:johnyradio@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnyradio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Do i take that to mean you agree to a new-user orientation process?<br>
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I *always* like that idea. I've proposed it myself.<br>
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I recall Tom and Miloh laughed at this proposal when i made it at a meeting, and also made a laughing reference about you making the same proposal.<br>
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The only problem I have noted in the past is the people who volunteer<br>
to do this kind of docenting/redshirting occasionally turn out to be<br>
some of the creepiest people at Noisebridge, and use it to assert<br>
random authority on strangers and/or establish some pecking order in<br>
the social community that hangs out at Noisebridge.<br>
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New-user orientation doesn't necessarily have to be the docents, but that's a natural fit.<br>
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In my observation, creepiness and bullyism has been a much bigger problem with nb's current vigilante method. Our current "everybody's a cop" method has no consistent monitoring of self-appointed enforcers built into it, no consistent interpretation of policy, no consistent enforcement, no clear opportunity for grievance.<br>
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A Docent group, which meets monthly, can monitor itself for creepiness. A Docent group is an entity users can approach with complaints (without consuming Tuesday meeting time).<br>
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About using Consensus and Tuesday meetings for every grievance, every new member, every topic, every policy is TOO simple. A famous brainiac once said “Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler.”<br>
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