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    I didn't realize cultural appropriation warranted kicking someone
    out of the space.  It seems pretty sad to ask someone who's using
    the space productively to leave because they said something as
    insignificant as "Whatup, my nigga?".   If you've got a problem with
    that kind of speech, talk to them about it, it's not like it's
    overtly or intentionally hateful.<br>
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    I can't argue against the fact that whether or not you qualify as a
    hacker has anything to do with whether or not you're being a dick,
    but it sure is frustrating to hear about someone who's not using the
    space to make anything actively removing people who are.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/29/2013 11:35 AM, hep wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">agree with the above. 
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        <div>#1 being part of one minority community does not absolve
          you of use of oppressive tools against another minority
          community. </div>
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        <div>#2 it is ALWAYS offensive when white people use the N word.
          I don't give a fuck who told you ok. I don't give a fuck if
          you used it with "a" and not "er". it is racist, offensive,
          and often when used with "positive intent" (like in this case)
          has huge overtones of cultural appropriation. </div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>#3 a "white person doing black lingo" is pretty much the
          definition of cultural appropriation and oppression. if it is
          a white person who grew up around communities of color and
          lower class communities where such "lingo" is the norm, that
          is one thing. (shoutouts to eminem, who btw always took it
          pretty hard for using the n word in his early work, something
          he has had to repeatedly apologize for despite growing up in
          the culture where such language was the norm.) but in that
          case a white person should be even more aware of the politics
          surrounding the use of that word by a white person. no free
          pass. it is one thing to be from classes where hiphop is the
          prevailing music, and street culture is a part of your
          culture. it is another to ignore centuries of oppression of
          one class of people, to ignore the fact that today in white
          america people of color are still being treated as second
          class citizens and  to ignore their voices about that word
          being deployed by the class who kept them down. </div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Also: allies are allowed to call people out about
          oppression fyi. Just because the person was a white man,
          doesn't make his point that that kind of language is
          absolutely not ok. In fact, we NEED allies because often
          people of color and other oppressed classes are talked over or
          ignored unless and until a white male speaks up on their
          behalf. </div>
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        <div>-hep</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 11:08 AM,
          Alexandra Glowaski <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:alex.glowaski@gmail.com" target="_blank">alex.glowaski@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">I won't comment on this particular incident,
              but:
              <div>• Building stuff / not building stuff has nothing to
                do with whether or not one is being a dick.</div>
              <div>• Being a part of one minority community doesn't give
                one a free pass regarding other communities - or even
                one's own. (There are plenty of women I consider grossly
                sexist, plenty of gay people who are considered racist
                or homophobic, plenty of racial-minority people who are
                homophobic and/or misogynist...)</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>These dialogues help us become more wonderful,
                though...</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Stopped in yesterday and everybody was cozied up in
                front of the big projector, watching a live broadcast
                from 30c3. It's marvelous to have such a close
                connection with this event half a world away, attended
                by children of Consenso. Similarly, our dialogues are
                triggering others, and the ongoing discussion itself
                helps us create a better environment for hackers
                everywhere.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>take it easy,</div>
              <div>merlin.</div>
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            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                  <div class="h5">On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM,
                    Johny Radio <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:johnyradio@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">johnyradio@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>A lesbian female hacker by the name of Sara
                          came to hack at Noisebridge. She cut some
                          bookshelves for her tiny new abode, and built
                          a platform for her bed. </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>This lesbian female hacker is also a
                          fledgling comedienne. Part of her cultural
                          background (like mine) is rap music and
                          lyrics. She's been know to sling some street
                          lingo, including the "N" word. </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>(warning, the following sentence may
                          violate Noisebridge's harrassment policy; if
                          anyone bans me from noisebridge as a result, i
                          shall respect that)</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>According to herself, Sara used the "n"
                          word at Noisebridge, as part of her
                          white lesbian does black lingo persona. Prolly
                          something along the lines of "Whatup, my
                          nigga?"</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>Sara was forced out of Noisebridge by
                          Pigeon for using "oppressive language", after
                          a lot of accusational shouting. </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>Is it an act of oppression, when a lesbian
                          female hacker (builds stuff) is driven out of
                          Noisebridge, with hostility, by a white male
                          non-hacker (doesn't build anything) for "using
                          oppressive language"? </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>Or does it just prove how wonderful
                          Noisebridge has become?</div>
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                              Communication is healthier than accusation<br>
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