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I didn't realize cultural appropriation warranted kicking someone
out of the space. It seems pretty sad to ask someone who's using
the space productively to leave because they said something as
insignificant as "Whatup, my nigga?". If you've got a problem with
that kind of speech, talk to them about it, it's not like it's
overtly or intentionally hateful.<br>
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I can't argue against the fact that whether or not you qualify as a
hacker has anything to do with whether or not you're being a dick,
but it sure is frustrating to hear about someone who's not using the
space to make anything actively removing people who are.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/29/2013 11:35 AM, hep wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">agree with the above.
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<div>#1 being part of one minority community does not absolve
you of use of oppressive tools against another minority
community. </div>
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<div>#2 it is ALWAYS offensive when white people use the N word.
I don't give a fuck who told you ok. I don't give a fuck if
you used it with "a" and not "er". it is racist, offensive,
and often when used with "positive intent" (like in this case)
has huge overtones of cultural appropriation. </div>
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<div>#3 a "white person doing black lingo" is pretty much the
definition of cultural appropriation and oppression. if it is
a white person who grew up around communities of color and
lower class communities where such "lingo" is the norm, that
is one thing. (shoutouts to eminem, who btw always took it
pretty hard for using the n word in his early work, something
he has had to repeatedly apologize for despite growing up in
the culture where such language was the norm.) but in that
case a white person should be even more aware of the politics
surrounding the use of that word by a white person. no free
pass. it is one thing to be from classes where hiphop is the
prevailing music, and street culture is a part of your
culture. it is another to ignore centuries of oppression of
one class of people, to ignore the fact that today in white
america people of color are still being treated as second
class citizens and to ignore their voices about that word
being deployed by the class who kept them down. </div>
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<div>Also: allies are allowed to call people out about
oppression fyi. Just because the person was a white man,
doesn't make his point that that kind of language is
absolutely not ok. In fact, we NEED allies because often
people of color and other oppressed classes are talked over or
ignored unless and until a white male speaks up on their
behalf. </div>
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<div>-hep</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 11:08 AM,
Alexandra Glowaski <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="ltr">I won't comment on this particular incident,
but:
<div>• Building stuff / not building stuff has nothing to
do with whether or not one is being a dick.</div>
<div>• Being a part of one minority community doesn't give
one a free pass regarding other communities - or even
one's own. (There are plenty of women I consider grossly
sexist, plenty of gay people who are considered racist
or homophobic, plenty of racial-minority people who are
homophobic and/or misogynist...)</div>
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<div>These dialogues help us become more wonderful,
though...</div>
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<div>Stopped in yesterday and everybody was cozied up in
front of the big projector, watching a live broadcast
from 30c3. It's marvelous to have such a close
connection with this event half a world away, attended
by children of Consenso. Similarly, our dialogues are
triggering others, and the ongoing discussion itself
helps us create a better environment for hackers
everywhere.</div>
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<div>take it easy,</div>
<div>merlin.</div>
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<div class="h5">On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM,
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<div>A lesbian female hacker by the name of Sara
came to hack at Noisebridge. She cut some
bookshelves for her tiny new abode, and built
a platform for her bed. </div>
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<div>This lesbian female hacker is also a
fledgling comedienne. Part of her cultural
background (like mine) is rap music and
lyrics. She's been know to sling some street
lingo, including the "N" word. </div>
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<div>(warning, the following sentence may
violate Noisebridge's harrassment policy; if
anyone bans me from noisebridge as a result, i
shall respect that)</div>
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<div>According to herself, Sara used the "n"
word at Noisebridge, as part of her
white lesbian does black lingo persona. Prolly
something along the lines of "Whatup, my
nigga?"</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sara was forced out of Noisebridge by
Pigeon for using "oppressive language", after
a lot of accusational shouting. </div>
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<div>Is it an act of oppression, when a lesbian
female hacker (builds stuff) is driven out of
Noisebridge, with hostility, by a white male
non-hacker (doesn't build anything) for "using
oppressive language"? </div>
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<div>Or does it just prove how wonderful
Noisebridge has become?</div>
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