<div dir="ltr">Sounds like J.C. is just trying to wear you down. It's really unfortunate.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Al Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal">JC has sectioned off the area near the fire escape and has built a bed underneath one of the tables. He calls the area "The Bridge". It's unclear what the intended use of it is supposed to be. JC's explanation was really meandering, something about a kind of "experimental" inner circle, hackerspace-within-a-hackerspace for leet hackers to hang out. I'm not sure who qualifies as leet, but I'm sure JC will let you know if you are.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">JC doesn't really want to let people know about The Bridge. He built it in the early hours of New Year's Day, initially partitioning it off with a tarp but now has added more semi-permanent walls. The wiki page for it doesn't really have any information: <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Bridge" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Bridge</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">He refuses to talk about it on noisebridge-discuss. Shortly after I found about it, JC announced he was retiring from the discuss mailing list, which is a convenient way to not have to answer anyone's questions or criticisms about what he's doing. I've asked him repeatedly to bring it up on this mailing list, but he says that the mailing list isn't "real Noisebridge" and doesn't want to read people's "retarded comments".</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">When I checked for sleepers around 7am yesterday, he told me that there had been an "open meeting" (his words) about The Bridge. This meeting hadn't been previously announced, and took place sometime between midnight and 7am. And he won't tell me who was at this meeting, but JC does assure me that everyone who attended was "unanimous" that The Bridge was a good idea that should continue.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">I still don't know what The Bridge is used for. The whiteboard at the border of the section just says stuff about "sleep research" and "shoes optional".</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">JC told me he'd rather not have me around it, so I guess I'm not one of the people who is leet enough to hang out there. Every time I start to tell him "you're monopolizing this space" and "you need to tell other people about this and answer the questions they'll have" he tells me he can't talk with me and walks away.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">So… yeah. It's pretty clear to me that JC is just setting up his own living space and hangout pad for his personally selected friends. I would describe taking a public part of Noisebridge and turning into your own domain and sleeping quarters as Unexcellent.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">But maybe this, against all odds, isn't the case. I'm going to be talking about it at the Tuesday meeting, and I invite everyone else to also talk about it. I'm sure JC can clue us in then.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">I had a chat with JC on IRC about it. The whole conversation is here: <a href="http://pastebin.com/Zzw2SVSe" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/Zzw2SVSe</a> but here are the highlights:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">15:14 < AlSweigart> Hey JC, so my main question with The Bridge that you're setting up is 1) What's it supposed to accomplish? Is it a second spacebridge project?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < AlSweigart> And 2) who's going to be sleeping in the nap pod that you set up there?</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < tdfischer> its a space within a space</p><p class="MsoNormal">
15:15 < thex> it's a part of the space</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < thex> i've update the floorplan</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < thex> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noiz_spacemap2012.jpg" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noiz_spacemap2012.jpg</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < noisebot> [Link Info] title: File:Noiz spacemap2012.jpg - Noisebridge</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:16 < thex> although you may have to reload for cache</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:16 < AlSweigart> Right. But why is the partitioning necessary for the projects that will be done there, and what projects will be done there? Is it just a separate new room in the space?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:16 < thex> all great q's</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:17 < thex> gimmie one sec peeps IRL in the bridge</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:17 < thex> brb</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:17 < AlSweigart> Also, the jpg you linked doesn't really explain it. It looks more like a joke. But seriously, what is it going to be used for?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < thex> it's a bridge, for the spaceship noisebridge</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < thex> on a 5 year mission, to blah blah blah, excellent haxing etc</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:18 <@jerkey> AlSweigart it's not really a thing, it's a state of mind</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < thex> and it's very much a work in process</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < AlSweigart> Uh... yeah, but seriously, what is it and what will it be used for?</p><p class="MsoNormal">
(At this point the subject changed.)</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> so the "bridge" experiment, is diving into a more 1337 bridge, or n0153bridge if you will</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < AlSweigart> thex: Can you explain what that means?</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> a dedicated space for 1337</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> setup with nice things</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> that continue to work, and stay in the space</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> i am working to design it in a open and non-exclusionary way</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:23 < thex> however, there is a line</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> 15:23 < thex> that is meant to insure that ppl participanting in the bridge are doing so with known concent of what they are choosing to participate in</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:23 <@jerkey> you mean the nitrous?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">15:25 < AlSweigart> thex: It really looks like your setting up a private space, including sleeping quarters, for yourself and the people you deem leet. Especially since you did it all before announcing it on the wiki, in IRC, at a meeting, and are refusing to announce it at all on the mailing list. Also, tonight's meeting is NYE, where not many people will show up.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:25 * thex in all seriousness, not a fan of huffers/huffing</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:25 < thex> yes, to be clear and plain, i am hacking the shit out of noisebridge, and not asking permission</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < thex> i am doing my best, and expect to be held accountable, that i find and proceed in an excellent way<br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < Cognition> who determines who is 1337?</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < thex> i'd prefer to do then talk, and let my doin speak for itself</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < AlSweigart> Cognition: I am very much interested in the answer to that question too.</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:27 < thex> however, i value the oppurtunity for input and feedback, and rfc stage as it were</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < AlSweigart> jerkey: It's only been up for a day. I was in the middle of taking down the tarp when JC found me and explain everything, because I hadn't heard about it at all and thought someone was setting up their own private residence.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> actually this is day 5</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:28 <@jerkey> that is a valid guess when you see a tarp go up at noisebrige</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> i've been "occupying" west noisebridge since the start of CHAOS</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> which i very publicly announced over a month ago</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> this is a continuation</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">
15:35 < thex> i'd like to sperate the sleep pod from the bridge discussion</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:35 < thex> as it's not intended to be part of the bridge</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:36 < AlSweigart> thex: The sleep pod is right in the middle of The Bridge and was made at the same time as The Bridge. I don't see how you can't include it.<br>
</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:36 < thex> the sleep pod was an invention contrived at 5:30am this morning</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> and the bridge is a departure, in that it most definetly is not concensus</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> and will not conform to comprimise</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> it will be what it is</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> and if anyone feels that it is keeping them or anyone from reasonably using the space, i invite you to come to the bridge and chat with me about it<br>
</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:44 < AlSweigart> thex: "and will not conform to comprimise" really concerns me</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:44 < thex> good</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">
</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:47 < thex> to be clear the sleep pod is not behind/under a tarp</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:47 < thex> it's under a desk</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:47 < thex> with a horizontal door</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">15:48 < thex> and i'm not at all interested in hiding anything i'm doing</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:48 < thex> however i find it prudent to be discrete about some things</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:49 < AlSweigart> thex: Like alcohol/weed use?</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:49 < thex> yes as for some</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:50 < thex> out of sight out of mind</p><p class="MsoNormal">
15:50 < thex> not that i condone or use that a excuse for illegal activities at/around nb</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:50 < thex> but i can be a responsible adult and consume alcohal in the space</p><p class="MsoNormal">
15:50 < AlSweigart> thex: ...</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">15:54 < thex> and in at least my version of a hackerspace i wanna spend time at, sleeping and drink booze is a part of the experience, not what defines it however</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">15:52 < thex> tell ya what</p><p class="MsoNormal">15:53 < thex> let me get back to figure out what the f'k the bridge is for myself, and there will be updates to follow</p>
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