<div dir="ltr">JC is a capital-M member.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:51 PM, davidfine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d@vidfine.com" target="_blank">d@vidfine.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I refer you to an old proverb: That which is done to the space
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<div>On 1/3/14, 8:03 PM, Al Sweigart wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">JC has sectioned off the area near the fire
escape and has built a bed underneath one of the tables. He
calls the area "The Bridge". It's unclear what the intended
use of it is supposed to be. JC's explanation was really
meandering, something about a kind of "experimental" inner
circle, hackerspace-within-a-hackerspace for leet hackers to
hang out. I'm not sure who qualifies as leet, but I'm sure JC
will let you know if you are.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">JC doesn't really want to let people know
about The Bridge. He built it in the early hours of New Year's
Day, initially partitioning it off with a tarp but now has
added more semi-permanent walls. The wiki page for it doesn't
really have any information: <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Bridge" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Bridge</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">He refuses to talk about it on
noisebridge-discuss. Shortly after I found about it, JC
announced he was retiring from the discuss mailing list, which
is a convenient way to not have to answer anyone's questions
or criticisms about what he's doing. I've asked him repeatedly
to bring it up on this mailing list, but he says that the
mailing list isn't "real Noisebridge" and doesn't want to read
people's "retarded comments".</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When I checked for sleepers around 7am
yesterday, he told me that there had been an "open meeting"
(his words) about The Bridge. This meeting hadn't been
previously announced, and took place sometime between midnight
and 7am. And he won't tell me who was at this meeting, but JC
does assure me that everyone who attended was "unanimous" that
The Bridge was a good idea that should continue.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I still don't know what The Bridge is used
for. The whiteboard at the border of the section just says
stuff about "sleep research" and "shoes optional".</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">JC told me he'd rather not have me around
it, so I guess I'm not one of the people who is leet enough to
hang out there. Every time I start to tell him "you're
monopolizing this space" and "you need to tell other people
about this and answer the questions they'll have" he tells me
he can't talk with me and walks away.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So… yeah. It's pretty clear to me that JC
is just setting up his own living space and hangout pad for
his personally selected friends. I would describe taking a
public part of Noisebridge and turning into your own domain
and sleeping quarters as Unexcellent.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But maybe this, against all odds, isn't the
case. I'm going to be talking about it at the Tuesday meeting,
and I invite everyone else to also talk about it. I'm sure JC
can clue us in then.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had a chat with JC on IRC about it. The
whole conversation is here: <a href="http://pastebin.com/Zzw2SVSe" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/Zzw2SVSe</a>
but here are the highlights:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">15:14 < AlSweigart> Hey JC, so my
main question with The Bridge that you're setting up is 1)
What's it supposed to accomplish? Is it a second spacebridge
project?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < AlSweigart> And 2) who's
going to be sleeping in the nap pod that you set up there?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < tdfischer> its a space within
a space</p>
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15:15 < thex> it's a part of the space</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < thex> i've update the
floorplan</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < thex> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noiz_spacemap2012.jpg" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noiz_spacemap2012.jpg</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:15 < noisebot> [Link Info] title:
<a>File:Noiz</a> spacemap2012.jpg - Noisebridge</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:16 < thex> although you may have
to reload for cache</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:16 < AlSweigart> Right. But why is
the partitioning necessary for the projects that will be done
there, and what projects will be done there? Is it just a
separate new room in the space?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:16 < thex> all great q's</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:17 < thex> gimmie one sec peeps
IRL in the bridge</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:17 < thex> brb</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:17 < AlSweigart> Also, the jpg you
linked doesn't really explain it. It looks more like a joke.
But seriously, what is it going to be used for?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < thex> it's a bridge, for the
spaceship noisebridge</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < thex> on a 5 year mission, to
blah blah blah, excellent haxing etc</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:18 <@jerkey> AlSweigart it's not
really a thing, it's a state of mind</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < thex> and it's very much a
work in process</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:18 < AlSweigart> Uh... yeah, but
seriously, what is it and what will it be used for?</p>
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(At this point the subject changed.)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> so the "bridge"
experiment, is diving into a more 1337 bridge, or n0153bridge
if you will</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < AlSweigart> thex: Can you
explain what that means?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> a dedicated space for
1337</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> setup with nice things</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> that continue to work,
and stay in the space</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:22 < thex> i am working to design
it in a open and non-exclusionary way</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:23 < thex> however, there is a
line</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> 15:23 < thex> that is meant to
insure that ppl participanting in the bridge are doing so with
known concent of what they are choosing to participate in</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:23 <@jerkey> you mean the nitrous?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:25 < AlSweigart> thex: It really
looks like your setting up a private space, including sleeping
quarters, for yourself and the people you deem leet.
Especially since you did it all before announcing it on the
wiki, in IRC, at a meeting, and are refusing to announce it at
all on the mailing list. Also, tonight's meeting is NYE, where
not many people will show up.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:25 * thex in all seriousness, not a fan
of huffers/huffing</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:25 < thex> yes, to be clear and
plain, i am hacking the shit out of noisebridge, and not
asking permission</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < thex> i am doing my best, and
expect to be held accountable, that i find and proceed in an
excellent way<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < Cognition> who determines who
is 1337?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < thex> i'd prefer to do then
talk, and let my doin speak for itself</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:26 < AlSweigart> Cognition: I am
very much interested in the answer to that question too.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:27 < thex> however, i value the
oppurtunity for input and feedback, and rfc stage as it were</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < AlSweigart> jerkey: It's only
been up for a day. I was in the middle of taking down the tarp
when JC found me and explain everything, because I hadn't
heard about it at all and thought someone was setting up their
own private residence.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> actually this is day 5</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 <@jerkey> that is a valid guess
when you see a tarp go up at noisebrige</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> i've been "occupying"
west noisebridge since the start of CHAOS</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> which i very publicly
announced over a month ago</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:28 < thex> this is a continuation</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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15:35 < thex> i'd like to sperate the sleep pod from the
bridge discussion</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:35 < thex> as it's not intended to
be part of the bridge</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:36 < AlSweigart> thex: The sleep
pod is right in the middle of The Bridge and was made at the
same time as The Bridge. I don't see how you can't include it.<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:36 < thex> the sleep pod was an
invention contrived at 5:30am this morning</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> and the bridge is a
departure, in that it most definetly is not concensus</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> and will not conform to
comprimise</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> it will be what it is</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:43 < thex> and if anyone feels
that it is keeping them or anyone from reasonably using the
space, i invite you to come to the bridge and chat with me
about it<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">15:44 < AlSweigart> thex: "and will
not conform to comprimise" really concerns me</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:44 < thex> good</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">15:47 < thex> to be clear the sleep
pod is not behind/under a tarp</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:47 < thex> it's under a desk</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:47 < thex> with a horizontal door</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:48 < thex> and i'm not at all
interested in hiding anything i'm doing</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:48 < thex> however i find it
prudent to be discrete about some things</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:49 < AlSweigart> thex: Like
alcohol/weed use?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:49 < thex> yes as for some</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:50 < thex> out of sight out of
mind</p>
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15:50 < thex> not that i condone or use that a excuse
for illegal activities at/around nb</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:50 < thex> but i can be a
responsible adult and consume alcohal in the space</p>
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15:50 < AlSweigart> thex: ...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">15:54 < thex> and in at least my
version of a hackerspace i wanna spend time at, sleeping and
drink booze is a part of the experience, not what defines it
however</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">15:52 < thex> tell ya what</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">15:53 < thex> let me get back to
figure out what the f'k the bridge is for myself, and there
will be updates to follow</p>
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