<div dir="ltr">Scotty, I believe you're probably wasting your time replying to Johny here. �I had a long private email to Johny using the same identical points that you made yourself in the other lockers thread, but I think he's dead set in his ways and no discussion will change that. �<div>
<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Scotty Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scotty@appmonsta.com" target="_blank">scotty@appmonsta.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">> No, i'm not saying that. If Al is asking to get paid back, that's not a<br>
> donation.<br>
<br>
</div>It's currently a donation, unless individuals or Noisebridge decides<br>
to pay him back. �Asking for contributions to offset part of his<br>
donation doesn't make it not a donation.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> yes-- i believe noisebridge fundamentally NEEDS electronics parts, drill<br>
> bits, etc more than noisebridge fundamentally needs lockers. Does anyone<br>
> disagree with that?<br>
<br>
</div>I think you're setting up a false dichotomy here. �We're talking about<br>
Al's money, which he chose to spend on lockers. �He could also choose<br>
to spend money on drill bits or electronic parts, if he's feeling<br>
generous. �Or not. �Or you could donate money for drill bits or<br>
electronic parts. �Or someone else could. �The fact that Al spent<br>
money on lockers doesn't mean squat about buying electronic parts and<br>
drill bits. �If you think that's needed then chip in some money, and<br>
convince some others to do the same. �But let's separate it from the<br>
lockers issue, or anyone else's choice to spend their money buying<br>
cool stuff for Noisebridge.<br>
<br>
But, for what it's worth, I think the "we can't trust nice things to<br>
not wander off" is a far larger problem than "We don't have the<br>
correct consumables around for various projects". �In fact, I think to<br>
some extent the former prevents solution to the latter. �If I had to<br>
choose, I'd much rather have a noisebridge where people were working<br>
on a bunch of awesome projects than one that had a full supply of<br>
drill bits and electronic parts. Fortunately, I don't think we need to<br>
make that choice.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
>> He's not asking Noisebridge to reimburse him,<br>
><br>
> "It'd be awesome if people want to help compensate me by giving me cash,<br>
> including Noisebridge itself."<br>
> <a href="https://noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Locker_FAQ&oldid=37879" target="_blank">https://noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Locker_FAQ&oldid=37879</a><br>
<br>
</div>I didn't see this. �The rest of that paragraph, from the link you sent<br>
is "But I also know that I might not getting any compensation at all.<br>
I entirely accept that risk."<br>
<br>
It looks like you've subsequently edited the FAQ to remove this, and a<br>
bunch of other responses he made to you on the mailing list, which<br>
seems pretty unexcellent.<br>
<br>
What I did see was his email announcing the lockers, Al wrote:<br>
<br>
"Noisebridge isn't paying for them, I found a really great deal on<br>
craigslist and had to act fast so it's coming out of my pocket (if<br>
you'd like to help reimburse me for the $500, that'd be great.<br>
Normally these are $500 or $600 per bank, even used.)"<br>
<br>
I very much read the whole situation as Al saying "If people and/or<br>
noisebridge want to reimburse me that would be awesome, but if not,<br>
consider it a donation".<br>
<br>
Al, if you don't see it this way, and are seeing this is as a loan to<br>
Noisebridge and expect to be fully reimbursed, well, I guess you'll<br>
need to speak up about that/propose something for consensus:) �In the<br>
meantime, if/when we ever meet in person, I have $20 I'd like to<br>
contribute toward the lockers.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
>> please stop attacking Al<br>
><br>
> ok. I'm talking about sustainable systems for the future.<br>
<br>
</div>If you want to start a constructive conversation about pooling funds<br>
to buy things you think Noisebridge needs, then go for it. �But it<br>
should be a separate conversation from Al's decision to donate<br>
lockers.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
>> might turn out to be a solution to one of<br>
>> the HUGE problems facing Noisebridge which is the "we can't ....leave nice<br>
>> projects in the space.<br>
><br>
> I have often advocated for a solution to this problem, i feel the pain of<br>
> this problem all the time at nb, when i have no place to store projects. So<br>
> i know about this problem. None of my projects would be appropriate to store<br>
> in a long, tall gym locker with no shelves. I feel it's an inappropriate<br>
> solution to the problem.<br>
<br>
</div>Great, then build, buy, or code something else that you like better.<br>
This is a doocracy, remember? �Creating something better speaks far<br>
better than shitting all over something someone else has done.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Lockers which people can rent by the month are a great place to store<br>
> sleeping bags, drug paraphenalia, weapons, moldy food, and stuff stolen from<br>
> other peoples' lockers. You can't see what's inside them.<br>
><br>
> You speak as if i've never done anything to contribute to the noisebridge<br>
> community, and as if i'm just trying to cut down another person. Neither is<br>
> true.<br>
<br>
</div>I never said anything about your contributions. �I think you've done<br>
some really awesome things at NB. �But that doesn't give you an excuse<br>
to be shitty to other people.<br>
<br>
I am quite bothered by your ongoing attack on Al about the lockers,<br>
and would really like it if you stopped, took a deep breath, and found<br>
a more constructive way to engage. �I can't speak for how he feels,<br>
but if I were in Al's shoes, I would be really discouraged right about<br>
now, and not at all in the mood to continue trying to make NB a better<br>
place.<br>
<br>
Respectfully,<br>
<br>
Scotty<br>
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