<div dir="ltr">Lee,<div>No amount of time or distance is going to make harassment acceptable. You have been told to stop. Stop.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Charles Tang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cjtang1@asu.edu" target="_blank">cjtang1@asu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Can we apply the same policy to the aquarium?</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 January 2014 21:37, Al Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Lee, you are clueless of just how bad and petty your emails to the list make you look. I've emailed you privately about this, and now I'm telling you publicly: Stop digging. Just let this issue go.<span><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>-Al</div></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Lee Sonko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org" target="_blank">lee@lee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hannah, I say again, please reread my emails and your response and then try responding again. I suggest you wait a day to cool off before hitting the Send button.<div>
<div><br></div><div><div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I repeat: I hope that the feminist book club for men meeting went well. Did it? I haven't seen anything on the list.</span><span><font color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div>Lee</div></font></span></div></div></div><span></span></div><div>
<div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Hannah Grimm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com" target="_blank">dharlette@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Lee,<div>No one is obliged to interact with you. You misbehaved on the wiki, and lost privileges. You then engaged in a campaign of harassment against Tom that was vastly out of proportion with the issue at hand, in which you continuously sent him passive-aggressive emails, looked up his number online so you could call him on his personal phone without invitation, and dragged unrelated targets into your obsession with him. Danny already gave you your wiki privileges back, so at this point you are just trying to demand the attention of someone who has made it perfectly clear that they do not want to engage with you.</div>
<br>I'd like to remind you of some of the information in our anti-harassment policy: "Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, sexual images in public spaces, <b>deliberate intimidation, stalking, following</b>, harassing photography or recording, sustained disruption of talks or other events, inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention...<b>People asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply immediately</b>."<br>
<br>This is me telling you that what you're doing is harassment, and asking you to stop. Do not contact him again. <span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Hannah</div></font></span></div><div>
<div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Snail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:snailtsunami@gmail.com" target="_blank">snailtsunami@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>So, you think he's doing a poor job of it and want to volunteer to run the book club discussion yourself? Or do you have another nominee in mind?<br>
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Lee Sonko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lee@lee.org" target="_blank">lee@lee.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Hannah writes:</div><div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">-------- Original Message -------------</div>
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I think you need to back off here. Replying to a thread about something awesome and very much needed at Noisebridge to dredge up a personal grievance you have with an individual is an obvious and deliberate attempt to stir up drama and to drag the feminist book club down with it. That is not cool. The way you describe your interactions with <span>Tom</span> (calling & emailing him repeatedly, despite him making it clear that he doesn't want to speak with you) is a set of behavior that frankly would incredibly freak me out if you were doing it to me. If feminism is "the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities" then I hope you don't do this to ladies because I'd be seriously threatened by this kind of behavior.<br>
</div></div></div><div><font color="#222222">-------- End of Original Message ------</font></div><div><font color="#222222"><br></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Tom changed my rights on the wiki and then refused to discuss the matter, or any matter, repeatedly. That was my first and only interaction with him despite me trying nicely to resolve the situation. I am receiving a clear signal that he is not a good communicator. That directly </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">relates </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">to him organizing a feminist book club; I suppose it actually only relates to him facilitating a discussion, not organizing, but the two tasks often go hand-in-hand. If he is petty and non-communicative with me, a virtual stranger, I don't believe he would make a good leader for a book club founded on discussing the sometimes strained communication between people of different genders. Hence my comments.</span></div>
</div><div><div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">calling & emailing him repeatedly, despite him making it clear that he doesn't want to speak with you) </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">is a set of behavior that frankly </span></div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">>would incredibly freak me out if you were doing it to me</span><br></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">Please reread my original email, that is not what I wrote, nor is that what happened. He used his powerful rights on the wiki against my account and then (as now) refuses to communicate about the exercise of those rights. </font><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The issue has, sadly, never been resolved because Tom continues to not communicate with me. </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">He told me to stop calling on the phone so I stopped. He hasn't responded to any of my emails except those I've CCed to the list. So that's how I communicate with him. I'm playing a game of his making. I remain open to discussion and resolution. Tom seems to remain closed. That seems like a poor choice for an organizer and perhaps facilitator of a feminist book club for men.</span></div>
</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I hope that the feminist book club for men meeting went well. Did it?</div><span><font color="#888888"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Lee</div></font></span><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Hannah Grimm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com" target="_blank">dharlette@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hey Lee,<div>I think you need to back off here. Replying to a thread about something awesome and very much needed at Noisebridge to dredge up a personal grievance you have with an individual is an obvious and deliberate attempt to stir up drama and to drag the feminist book club down with it. That is not cool. The way you describe your interactions with Tom (calling & emailing him repeatedly, despite him making it clear that he doesn't want to speak with you) is a set of behavior that frankly would incredibly freak me out if you were doing it to me. If feminism is <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities" then I hope you don't do this to ladies because I'd be seriously threatened by this kind of behavior.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hannah</span></div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:23 AM, jarrod hicks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hicksu@gmail.com" target="_blank">hicksu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Organizing an event at Noisebridge does not require that the organizer<br>
be the best person for the job (far from it), only that the person be<br>
willing to do the work necessary to make the event/class/meeting<br>
happen; 'and proud we are of all of them'. Even if in this case by<br>
"not the best" you may actually mean "I think you are possibly the<br>
worst", events/classes/meetings are educational for their facilitator<br>
as well and so not being good at something is still a great<br>
prerequisite for organizing getting together with others to learn.<br>
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