<div dir="ltr">Wow, I left for the weekend and this thread really blew up.<div><br></div><div>Alex: you're full of excuses. The only time that was okay was $170,000 ago.</div><div><br></div><div>Romy: Pointing out the fact that Alex blazed through a large sum of money with next to nothing to show for it isn't character assassination. I think you're being too generous with Alex. I think his reputation is well deserved.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Al</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>You know what, this conversation was actually very useful. I'm on my way to making my first open source SudoRoom and Noisebridge educational game.<br><br>Despite all the public character assassination, i think this was a useful thread overall.<br>
<br></div>When you're in charge, Alex, as you're learning, you're the one to blame when everything fails! That's just the way it is =D And character assassination is part of the game. I sure know how it feels.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Oren Beck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orenbeck@gmail.com" target="_blank">orenbeck@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Can we signal boost that?<br>
<br>
"Hackerspace is for Hacking"<br>
<div><div><br>
On 1/19/14, Romy Snowyla <<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Id also like to go to noisebridge return to it's equilibrium of mostly being<br>
> about hacking.<br>
><br>
> I'm very tired of going there and sudoroom and having people waste most of<br>
> my time trying to promote some offsite company product or to get me to<br>
> attend five minutes of fame to hear a bunch of commercials,<br>
><br>
> It's ok to advertise in small doses but this is a hackerspace not a public<br>
> relations firm. It gets to the point where I get stuff done if I avoid<br>
> interacting with anyone .<br>
><br>
> Plus hacking speaks for itself. I can see on github whether people are<br>
> contributing or not or if they're just out to assault me with some company's<br>
> PowerPoint<br>
><br>
> Let's keep the hacking in the hackerspace<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Oren Beck <<a href="mailto:orenbeck@gmail.com" target="_blank">orenbeck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Ok- I'm going to take a whack at restoring vibes of Be Excellent To Each<br>
>> Other!<br>
>><br>
>> Let's be adult and honest here- PASSION in one's crafts simply is what<br>
>> sets many of us apart as "Role Models" and i see that while we DO have<br>
>> honorless louts that are pure thieves- others get blinded by passion or<br>
>> simple lack of clue... We see both the skills and the fails?<br>
>><br>
>> From which the Truly Dark Sides gain a power we might contemplate being<br>
>> scared shitless of. Scared so by what I call the NOD Rule:<br>
>><br>
>> A tech guru is not inherently a #DEITY. Not Our Deity means- they're<br>
>> HUMAN and can screw up on so many levels as can ANY of us.<br>
>><br>
>> I hope my point is taken at the simplest evaluation. Cherish the skills<br>
>> some folks have. Pardon them for being mere humans. Remind them as others<br>
>> have- bad acts are unacceptable =NOT EXCELLENT.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> TealDeer: LIVE by the Be Excellent Meme. Oh yeah- that does include the<br>
>> needful compartmentalization of skills from misdeeds.<br>
>><br>
>> Constructive comemts on list- flame me privately to keep drama off list:><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Oren Beck<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="tel:816.632.3695" value="+18166323695" target="_blank">816.632.3695</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Romy Snowyla <<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> It's also common to see people at noisebridge bashing VC as if they were<br>
>>> all dumb.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Well wow kick starter doesn't have due diligence does it. ? Kick starter<br>
>>> doesn't have a board if directors that will dis your collective consensus<br>
>>> bs that refuses to fire your best buddy and no board that pushes back<br>
>>> when you hire a gigantic team?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Geez.<br>
>>> ;)<br>
>>> All of these would've been prevented by a good VC. They don't generally<br>
>>> invest less than a million in a company that would expect to pay more<br>
>>> than two or three engineers a living wage. Of $70k either<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Adrian Chadd <<a href="mailto:adrian.chadd@gmail.com" target="_blank">adrian.chadd@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Romy,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It's the dirty side of the startup culture. Everything is hyped, all<br>
>>>> ideas will change the world.. and less than 1% of 1% of them will. Those<br>
>>>> that succeed stand to make stupid amounts of money and/or fame, but the<br>
>>>> rest .. fall into this kind of category. They have this kind of drama.<br>
>>>> The people involved end up this kind of burnt out.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm disenheartened by the comments left on the website. People took a<br>
>>>> risk on kickstarter and now they want their money back? It's a risk.<br>
>>>> Unless you have proof that Alex mis-spent $170k, it's totally easy to<br>
>>>> spend $170k on legitimate business purchases and run out of cash before<br>
>>>> delivering. People are .. expensive.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I meet plenty of people with similar drive, similar ideas, and similar<br>
>>>> experiences in Silicon Valley.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Alex - I hope you've learnt your lesson. :-)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -a<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On 18 January 2014 08:18, Romy Snowyla <<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> Al<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> All these guys angry at Alex are complaining about how they didn't get<br>
>>>>> credit.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Why don't they come out of the woodwork and take credit for the<br>
>>>>> failure?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Why don't they take credit for the product sucking? It really wasn't<br>
>>>>> that great.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Why don't these angry people take credit for trying to run a company by<br>
>>>>> consensus and too many chefs spoiling the soup?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> They are all so eager to blame Alex for the failure.. But they want<br>
>>>>> credit for any success. It's confusing. Why pin the failure on one<br>
>>>>> person and then greedily grab credit if there's success ?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It's very childish!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I also think anyone quitting their job expecting a great wage from a<br>
>>>>> company with only $170K in funding is pretty foolish. I'm not saying<br>
>>>>> anyone deserves bad fortune but it's easy to blame others for your lack<br>
>>>>> of foresight<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm also wondering how any company can raise money without a figurehead<br>
>>>>> like Alex. You want to raise a couple million by consensus ? Without a<br>
>>>>> spokesperson ? Forget it<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> You're all so eager to blame Alex for your troubles .., why not share<br>
>>>>> it if you were all so eager to share the success?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Aduct lex Peake<br>
>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:empowerthyself@gmail.com" target="_blank">empowerthyself@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Al:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> It pains me that you think ill of me because I highly respect you,<br>
>>>>>> your book, your work teaching programming, and your contributions to<br>
>>>>>> Noisebridge. (The lockers you added recently are amazing.)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I do think your view of me and my work is based on incomplete and<br>
>>>>>> inaccurate reports by journalists, online critics and disappointed<br>
>>>>>> team members.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> As bleak as the picture they paint of me and Code Hero may seem, it is<br>
>>>>>> not the whole story.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I know you've posted negative remarks about me online in the past and<br>
>>>>>> I regret not speaking to you previously.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I've responded to backer concerns already, but as a fellow Noisebridge<br>
>>>>>> community member bringing this up on the mailing list your concerns<br>
>>>>>> deserve an answer here.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I would like to take this opportunity to clear a few things up.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I'd also like to speak to you in person so you can express whatever<br>
>>>>>> concerns you have with me and we can address them.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> TLDR:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I started Code Hero to make a game that teaches people programming. I<br>
>>>>>> was inexperienced at the outset and made a lot of mistakes along the<br>
>>>>>> way.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I overreached on the design and tried to do more than our Kickstarter<br>
>>>>>> budget allowed for, our team ran out of funding and we all suffered<br>
>>>>>> because of that.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I didn't update Kickstarter backers often enough and I upset a lot of<br>
>>>>>> people who felt betrayed because they thought I had abandoned the<br>
>>>>>> project I've never stopped working on Code Hero and it has come a long<br>
>>>>>> way closer to completion since then.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I apologized to everyone who was hurt by my miscommunication about our<br>
>>>>>> setbacks.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I promised to deliver what people were owed and I continue working<br>
>>>>>> with the development team to achieve that.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I apologized to David and everyone on the team who worked without pay<br>
>>>>>> at the end of our funding and I do so again now for not being able to<br>
>>>>>> pay folks until we first fulfill our obligations to the backers.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I apologize to you Al as a member of the Noisebridge community for the<br>
>>>>>> negativity this cloud of disappointment has made you feel.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We're now working hard on the game and delivering backer T-shirt<br>
>>>>>> rewards.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> You can try the latest beta at <a href="http://www.primerlabs.com" target="_blank">http://www.primerlabs.com</a> (click Guest<br>
>>>>>> Mode in-game) and let us know what you think.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> For Al and whomever else wants to know more of the Code Hero's<br>
>>>>>> history:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I started Code Hero, a game that teaches Unity game programming.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I applied to YCombinator with a friend and we recruited a small team<br>
>>>>>> to help build the prototype.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We got interviewed but didn't get accepted to YCombinator.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The team split up after that, as often happens with teams who are<br>
>>>>>> counting on funding and don't get it.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I continued working on it for a year and raised a small amount of<br>
>>>>>> money to survive..<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I released a first alpha that taught the player enough to solve<br>
>>>>>> Portal-like puzzle levels and beat FizzBoss.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The game showed enough promise that it was time to hire a team to work<br>
>>>>>> on it.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We raised $170K on Kickstarter with the help of many supporters.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We hired and paid most of the team to work on it full time. Some of us<br>
>>>>>> already had jobs and worked on it part-time. David was one of those.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We worked together at IGN's Indie Open House incubator alongside other<br>
>>>>>> indie game dev teams and learned a lot from them and other game dev<br>
>>>>>> mentors.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> An investor offered to fund us beyond the Kickstarter and we worked<br>
>>>>>> with them to set up the company for that to happen.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We were invited by Kickstarter to exhibit with them at PAX East and we<br>
>>>>>> showed the second alpha there with a new orientation level.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We worked on it more to implement the rest of the game's introductory<br>
>>>>>> levels and level editor gameplay mechanics.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We were invited to show the third alpha at PAX Prime in the Indie<br>
>>>>>> Megabooth.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> What we showed was a big step forward but it was still buggy and<br>
>>>>>> incomplete and there was a lot of work remaining.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> At that point we were nearly out of funds and were counting on the<br>
>>>>>> investor to fund us further.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> While we were there, the investor withdrew their offer and we were<br>
>>>>>> faced with a difficult financial situation:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If we continued working on it, there was no guarantee that we'd have<br>
>>>>>> the money to get paid for it.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I paid some of the developers out of my own pocket at that point to<br>
>>>>>> keep things going but without a funding source, the paid team stopped<br>
>>>>>> working at the end of the month.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I and a few other volunteer programmers continued working on it and<br>
>>>>>> released more alphas.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We made Kickstarter updates, but there were long delays between them<br>
>>>>>> and Kickstarter backers got frustrated.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I tried to raise money to rehire team members to work on the project<br>
>>>>>> and I continued working on it unpaid.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Then some frustrated Kickstarter backers made threats and shared their<br>
>>>>>> complaints with journalists.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The writers spoke to some team members who were understandably<br>
>>>>>> disappointed at not getting paid after the project ran out of funds<br>
>>>>>> before completion.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> In our Kickstarter update, we apologized to backers for delays.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We vowed to fulfill backer rewards, to complete the game, to rebuild<br>
>>>>>> the team, and to eventually refund backers and repay teammates<br>
>>>>>> including David wages we couldn't pay when we ran out of funds.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I recruited a project coordinator who has helped organize our new team<br>
>>>>>> and I did contract work to earn enough money to start producing<br>
>>>>>> Kickstarter rewards.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Since then, we've released Code Hero Beta 0.2 and we're preparing to<br>
>>>>>> print and ship the t-shirts for backers.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> You can download it at <a href="http://www.primerlabs.com" target="_blank">http://www.primerlabs.com</a> and try it (just<br>
>>>>>> click Guest Mode in-game).<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We've got a long way to go still.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We've been rewriting the server backend, redesigning the alpha levels<br>
>>>>>> to match the new beta level design style, and we welcome feedback and<br>
>>>>>> suggestions to make it better.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> There are still many critics who've interpreted our delays between<br>
>>>>>> updates as proof that Code Hero is a scam, skeptics who think we can't<br>
>>>>>> finish the game, and worried supporters who wonder if we can pull it<br>
>>>>>> off.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Despite all the mistakes, setbacks and criticism so far we're learning<br>
>>>>>> from it and persevering to finish Code Hero.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We have a lot of enthusiasm to finish the game and teach people<br>
>>>>>> programming,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I am also dedicated to teaching Unity programming at Noisebridge and<br>
>>>>>> I'd like to expand the number of teachers who can do that so it<br>
>>>>>> doesn't depend on just me and whomever I can bring to help teach for<br>
>>>>>> the class to happen.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I've taught Gamebridge classes for over a year with a few breaks when<br>
>>>>>> travel or work prevented me from being there, and lately I've been too<br>
>>>>>> busy working on Code Hero to make it.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If anybody is interested in learning Unity programming and/or learning<br>
>>>>>> to teach, I'll be expanding on the the teaching materials I've used<br>
>>>>>> for the classes at Noisebridge, Hack The Future and other workshops<br>
>>>>>> and sharing them in an organized spot with a mailing list for people<br>
>>>>>> who are teaching and attending to notify each other of class plans.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I'd like to hold a teacher teaching class soon and I'll contact<br>
>>>>>> everyone who contacts me with interest in participating.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> PS:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I have not addressed every single concern or claim people have made<br>
>>>>>> here because this is already too long for those dedicated enough to<br>
>>>>>> read it all.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> However, I'll answer any questions people have via email or here.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Keep in mind that there are some made-up claims out there like people<br>
>>>>>> saying I flew to Amsterdam with Kickstarter funds.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> In reality, I was paid including flight and expenses to teach a<br>
>>>>>> programming workshop in Amsterdam. No Kickstarter money was spent on<br>
>>>>>> that.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> People speculated that we somehow misused our funds simply because<br>
>>>>>> they were worried at our lack of communication and assuming the<br>
>>>>>> worst.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We were required to keep careful accounting of project costs by<br>
>>>>>> investors who required us to spend project money carefully.<br>
>>>>>><br>
</div></div><div><div>>>>>>> ᐧ<br>
>>>>>> The reality is one which many game projects have in common: We put all<br>
>>>>>> our resources into paying staff to build a game that took longer to<br>
>>>>>> finish than we had funding for.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> In hindsight, I should have made half as ambitious a game and polished<br>
>>>>>> it with the resources we had and set aside our bigger plans for<br>
>>>>>> component scripting and editor gameplay till after the first polished<br>
>>>>>> release.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> What we completed with the funding we had was the technical core of<br>
>>>>>> the ambitious editor design, and what we're completing now is the<br>
>>>>>> polished content that makes good on that design one level at a time.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I owe a thanks to those who speak up on my behalf, and I hope the<br>
>>>>>> critics will give us another chance as they see the game improve.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> If he's ever around the space again, I'll introduce you to David. He<br>
>>>>>>> was a 3D artist employed at a studio who left his job to work for<br>
>>>>>>> Alex. The agreement was that Alex would match his previous salary.<br>
>>>>>>> After 3 months, David was only paid for one month, and less than what<br>
>>>>>>> they had agreed on. David finally realized he wasn't going to ever<br>
>>>>>>> see a check, and quit. The thing is, this was only a couple months<br>
>>>>>>> after the Kickstarter, so Alex had plenty of funds. David will also<br>
>>>>>>> tell you how Alex's personality made him difficult to work with, how<br>
>>>>>>> he took credit for other people's work, and basically exploited<br>
>>>>>>> people who really believed in the project. There were several people<br>
>>>>>>> who worked with him, got fed up, and then left. He's always<br>
>>>>>>> recruiting new people.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, Alex has no accounting whatsoever for how the $170,000 he<br>
>>>>>>> received was spent. He didn't even reveal it was all gone until half<br>
>>>>>>> a year after the fact.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> If he wants to help train new teachers in Unity or lead some classes,<br>
>>>>>>> that's great. But as soon as he asks them to contribute to Code Hero,<br>
>>>>>>> that's when people need to politely and firmly tell him No.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> -Al<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:09 PM, jarrod hicks <<a href="mailto:hicksu@gmail.com" target="_blank">hicksu@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>> I was not aware of troubles with the Code Hero project, that is a<br>
>>>>>>>> bummer.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> As far as being a positive example, contributor, and someone who<br>
>>>>>>>> should have the nerve to be at Noisebridge. Alex was one of those<br>
>>>>>>>> who<br>
>>>>>>>> stepped up when my partner asked the Noisebridge community for help<br>
>>>>>>>> showing her physics students the wonders and possibilities of<br>
>>>>>>>> Noisebridge, and in turn the greater hacker/maker community. He<br>
>>>>>>>> worked<br>
>>>>>>>> with rotating groups of her students and within 20 - 30 minutes he<br>
>>>>>>>> had<br>
>>>>>>>> them making games and seeing the basic possibilities of programming<br>
>>>>>>>> that many of them were not aware of. Alex, and all those who<br>
>>>>>>>> helped,<br>
>>>>>>>> showed Noisebridge at its best that day, and my ongoing commitment<br>
>>>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>>>> this space/community is in large part because of people like Alex.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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