<div dir="ltr">Jeffrey, For fun and profit, go there at 3 am tonight and see if anyone greets you when you walk in. Do this for a week and I bet you will be surprised. I went there a few months ago at midnight (not really even that late) and there was no one greeting and no members or associate members. There really wasn't anyone "hacking" either. I did find one guy asleep though. I woke him up and he went back to hacking on things, which was refreshing. I stuck around for about 30 minutes. <div>
<br></div><div>I think we should try Al's wording. That makes sense. Gregory's wording is also good and we should perhaps merge the two. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Danny O'Brien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Could we try it? Even if it didn't get through in that form, it would<br>
probably lead to some constructive discussion.<br>
<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> Only once have I found a person who sleep at Noisebridge who didn't deny<br>
> that they were sleeping. The rest are perfectly comfortable telling you that<br>
> black is white. If you say sleeping is unexcellent but napping is okay,<br>
> suddenly everyone will be "napping".<br>
><br>
> I think a "people found sleeping between 10pm and 10am during the week will<br>
> be woken up and asked to leave the space the first time and banned the<br>
> second time" rule would pretty much solve 90% of the problem. Maybe make the<br>
> second time have to be within 30 days of the first?<br>
><br>
> Though I don't think even this compromise would pass consensus: the minority<br>
> of people okay with people sleeping overnight or living in the space would<br>
> block it.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Ronald Cotoni <<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com">setient@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I sometimes feel that sleeping vs resting eyes vs napping is akin to what<br>
>> color should we paint the bike shed? It just is easier to say the bike<br>
>> sheds we make are always going to be X color. Thats it. The differences<br>
>> between resting your eyes, napping and sleeping are almost irrelevant. It<br>
>> just leads to more discussion and wasted time when we could just deal with<br>
>> it one way or another and call the issue "CLOSED FIXED".<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:20 PM, John Ellis <<a href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com">neurofog@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Al,<br>
>>><br>
>>> i'll start making morning appearances more often and see whos there and<br>
>>> what they are working on in the space.<br>
>>><br>
>>> My concern was turning the "no overnight sleeping" policy into a witch<br>
>>> hunt for napping or "closing ones eyes" when some people really do hack all<br>
>>> night.<br>
>>><br>
>>> John<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> While it is fun to imagine technical solutions, it basically comes down<br>
>>>> to having people wake others up and making Noisebridge a place where people<br>
>>>> don't sleep overnight at.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Unfortunately, the sleepers both a) repeatedly sleep overnight even<br>
>>>> though they know the community overwhelmingly is against it but b) there's a<br>
>>>> minority of members who will block banning these sleepers from the space.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Alfred Perlstein <<a href="mailto:bright@mu.org">bright@mu.org</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> epic!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 1/27/14, 10:06 AM, Oren Beck wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Wake up by Quadcopter and follow spot+PA.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> YOU_YES..YOU!!! WAKE UP AND LEAVE BEFORE FORMAL TRESPASS CHARGES ARE<br>
>>>>> FILED!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> If they damage the 'bot- slam dunk case for vandalism on top of<br>
>>>>> trespass seems logical.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Oren Beck<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="tel:816.632.3695" value="+18166323695">816.632.3695</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Alfred Perlstein <<a href="mailto:bright@mu.org">bright@mu.org</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 1/27/14 9:39 AM, Norman Bradley wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I can't do this because of my transportation situation. If there is<br>
>>>>>> somebody that is usually up and about in the early morning say 2-4 am that<br>
>>>>>> would be the time to kick out sleepers. The only way we are going to solve<br>
>>>>>> the problem is to make it consistently uncomfortable to sleep there.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Strobe light?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Boxing timer?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> -Alfred<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
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