<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Well as discussed earlier many times the lease doesn't allow for sleepers. That fact cannot be decided by consensus <br><br>----<div><br></div><div><a href="http://Snowyla.com">Snowyla.com</a></div><div><a href="http://Romyilano.com">Romyilano.com</a></div></div><div><br>On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I don't think the problem is getting more people to support a sleeping ban, but that a minority of members would block it because they like sleeping overnight at the space.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>I'll come to the next meeting if the elevator is working (temporarily disabled)</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe if more people came supporting the sleeping ban it would help <br><br>----<div><br></div>
<div><a href="http://Snowyla.com" target="_blank">Snowyla.com</a></div><div><a href="http://Romyilano.com" target="_blank">Romyilano.com</a></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Feb 16, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Curtis Gagliardi <<a href="mailto:gagliardi.curtis@gmail.com" target="_blank">gagliardi.curtis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I realized the sleepers were a problem, but it wasnt' until the last meeting I went to where people weren't willing to consider banning sleepers or sleeping that I realized people thought it was ok. It was pretty depressing. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Wow, people are still arguing about whether sleepers are OK or not? <div><br></div><div>I thought it was pretty clear that sleepers aren't allowed. I'm confused! </div><div><br></div><div>Since consensus cannot block the fact that Noisebridge must pay rent, maybe I'll help get that Noisebridge fundraising party event started as soon as possible.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Al Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Much as Noisebridgers don't want to air our dirty laundry, people sleeping and/or squatting at Noisebridge has been a constant problem for the last several years. Because consensus makes it impossible for us to establish sleeping as forbidden, okay, or okay under some circumstances (there will always be one person to block the proposal either way), there hasn't been any effective resolution.<div>
<br></div><div>The usual cycle is: some people start crashing at Noisebridge, more people start crashing at Noisebridge, people start living at Noisebridge, it becomes a problem too large to ignore and people crack down and tell people to stop squatting at Noisebridge, then some people start crashing at Noisebridge.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It's pretty much always the same few people using Noisebridge as their bedroom, so don't think that everyone is treating the space as a commune.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>-Al</div></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Justin Hasuike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwcalmus@gmail.com" target="_blank">jwcalmus@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>To be honest, I was interested in the hackerspace and subscribed accordingly to see what's going on before stopping by to check it out. Thanks for clarifying Romy, seemed a little awkward :)<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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</font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">-Justin<br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>I hope people reading the list don't think the people at noise bridge argue over semantics like this 100% of the time . <br>
<br><br>When we aren't fleeing tech talks we actually hack.. This discussion is maybe 1% of the real activity that goes on<br>----<div><br></div><div><a href="http://Snowyla.com" target="_blank">Snowyla.com</a></div>
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<a href="http://Romyilano.com" target="_blank">Romyilano.com</a></div></div><div><div><div><br>On Feb 15, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Hannah Grimm <<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com" target="_blank">dharlette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">"It" refers to objects, not people, so pretending you have some grammatical high-ground here is ludicrous. <div><br></div><div>Not to mention, we use "they" singularly all the time in our language, and have since Shakespeare. Since before Shakespeare. Since <b>Chaucer.</b></div>
<div><b><br></b></div><div>Imagine that sentence without the dehumanizing "it": "<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Male or female THEY should be gone." Hardly going to destroy the English language.</span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Al Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">No-hat aka Josh was out of town over the holidays, but before then Ive found him sleeping overnight at Noisebridge. He's been doing this a while.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 15, 2014 9:43 PM, "Hannah Grimm" <<a href="mailto:dharlette@gmail.com" target="_blank">dharlette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Can you NOT refer to people of unknown gender as "it?" We already have a word for that which doesn't dehumanize people by comparing them to objects. It's "they."</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Norman Bradley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pryankster@gmail.com" target="_blank">pryankster@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>N0_Hat is also spamming the wiki and
should be GONE. Male or female IT should be gone.<br>
<pre cols="72">You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
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<div>One in turing named sid. Other was __Hat. Both claimed
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<div> Nick was here but not sleeping.<br>
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