<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Dude, are you plastering CGI boobs all over the Noisebridge wiki?<div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 PM, <a href="mailto:hush.hat@hushmail.com">hush.hat@hushmail.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;"><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" class="hwc" name="hotword"><span class="hdrrmn" style="float:left;"><span></span></span></span><span id="hotword" class="hwc" name="hotword"></span><span id="hotword" class="hwc" name="hotword"></span><span id="hotword" class="hwc" name="hotword"></span><span id="hotword" class="hwc" name="hotword"></span></span> I was surprised to be notified about User:Gregorydillon account of the events that occurred in the morning he asked me to leave. At the bottom of his lengthy discussion section is this section which i will edit to fit my account as well as the account witnessed by Qbit and Sid who were in the space with me at the time in the Hacker-torium:<br><br><h2> <span class="mw-headline" id="Asked_Josh_to_leave_this_morning_and_not_return_until_the_Tuesday_meeting"> Asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday meeting </span></h2><p>I asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday meeting. <font color="#ff0000">(true)</font>
</p><p>I arrived about 6:30, <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">(false</span></span> <font color="#ff0000">5:30)</font> and put on the lights (<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">turned on all the lights in the Hackertorium</span></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""> where 3 people were working in the dark on their computers with only light LED lights on)</span></span>. He became <u>incensed</u><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""> (false) asked politley, "hay Greg can you turn the one by the electronic equiptment shelf off its kind of too bright for our eyes [all three peopl in agreement, 2 actually saying if he could turn all of them back off it was too bright. <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!" screaming with rage while standing <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: "Um, i understand that but that is not what i mean Greg, its just the light is hurting out eyes and we have been coding all night on a project can you just turn off one of the 4 swiches, the one for the electronics shelf area off its putting strain on our eyes (he chose to sit at the center to the table on the elevator side of the table)." <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydilions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!"</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: "Dude that has nothing to do with what i am askaing, i am just asking if you can turn off one of the swiches because its its too early in the morning and its straining our eyes."</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!"</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: "Dude what are you talking about? i just asking you to turn off one of the lights what does your statement have to do with that?"</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!! NOOO!! (storms off to make some coffee) <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">leaving me, Sid, & Qbit wondering what would make him act in such an extreme manner.<br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""></span></span>that I turned on the lights. A
</p><p>I walked away from him and began making a cup of coffee. <u>He turned light of</u>f<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""> false</span></span>
</p><p>When I came back there were 4 tea cups, with tea bag in most,
<u>glasses</u> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">( one )</span></span>, <u>plates</u> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">( one )</span></span> and <u>uneaten food on the common table</u> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">( just my bag of nachos which were right next to my laptop that was on next to all my stuff )</span></span> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">true: leftover from lastnight, none of which belonged to N0_Hat or Qbit or Sid</span></span>. I asked who's? <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">True</span></span>
and got no response.<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">True, no reply was given because 1st it was not our's, 2nd because all three of us were being spoken to in a Authoritarian, Overly-Agressive Tone</span></span> I began cleaning it up, and Josh went all
argumentative again not to touch his food <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">instead of taking the cups and dishes he grabbed an extra large bad of nachos which belonged to me and were half full seated directly infront of my jacket covered chair on the table which had my laptop and water bottle, what i said was, <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat:"hay can you please not touch my food without my permission like that."</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillion: "Well i asked who's food this was (false)"</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: "no you didnt and i have already asked you about the light but you wont bother to turn off even one out of the four that i asked for, so since this is a do-ocracy, i guess i will do it myself.</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillon: NO YOU WON'T!!! in Agressively yelling </span></span><br></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: Yes, i wll and their is no obligation for anyone to take orders from you at Noisebridge, this is a do-ocracy and you have no Authoritative power over me or anyone else in this space. (take my food which he is still holding and go to put it back where it was next to my laptop) On the way back to the project i am working on my the audio equiptment i say, "Gregory please don't touch my stuff again like that without my permission i consider is extremely rude"</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""></span></span>I said he needs to
acknowledge and clean.<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""> true</span></span> <u>Became more argumentative. <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">false "Greg i get that you want to clean but please don't go around just peoples things from the table like that its extreamly rude and inconsiderate" </span></span></u>
</p><p>I asked him to leave <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">true <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillion:"N0_HAT you know what, I want you out of here now!")</span></span><br></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: What? what did I do???? why are you asking me to leave</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillon: "N0_HAT I SAID I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE NOW!!!" screaming at the top of his lungs.</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: Dude what are you talking about, i havent done anything"</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">QBit: Dude you can't just ask N0_Hat to leave like that he hasent done anything to you!</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""> Sid: Greg you need to calm down you are over reacting, N0_Hat hasent done anything to deserve being asked to leave.</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Gregorydillon: N0_HAT I WANT YOU OUT NOW!!!</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: "do you guys think i have done something wrong that i should be asked to leave?" <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Qbit: No just ignore him he is loosing it</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">Sid: No you don't have to leave <br></span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">N0_Hat: dude majority vote by two members, i am sorry but i am not going anywhere, i have two witnesses here that know i havent done anything that deserves me being asked to leave</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""></span></span><u>and not return until the Tuesday meeting</u><font color="#ff0000"> <span style=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">true</span></span></span></font>. <u>
He said he wasn't going anywhere</u> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">true</span></span> <u>and claimed that I was being rude</u>. <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">true</span></span>
</p><p>hmmn<font color="#ff0000"> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><font>(storms off mumbering to himself and slamming ever step down the stairs)</font></span></span></font></p><p><font color="#ff0000"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><font>N0_Hat, Sid, & Qbit, left puzzled and shocked <br></font></span></span></font></p><p><font color="#ff0000"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><font>Qbit:"oh my god what is with that guy. He usually just works in the library which was completely empty why out of all days did he pick today to sit here and then on top of that act that crazy?"<span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 0);"><span style=""></span></span></font></span></span></font></p><p><font color="#ff0000"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><font>N0_Hat: "dude im not going to fuck up my morning trying to figure that guy out, he is loosing it, i just want to get back to work, lets put some music on to restore the vibe in here."</font></span></span></font></p><p><font color="#ff0000"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><font>Sid: (Laughing) WOWWW just when you think you get this place, shit like this happens"</font></span></span><br></font></p><br><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">-----People who were witnesses that can confirm this to be a true account, two: <br>Qbit and Sid who were with me working the entire night and were in the hacker-torium when incident occurred</span><br> <br><span style="background-color: rgb(234, 153, 153);"><span style="">----People who can confirm Greg's account of what happened, <b><u>zero</u></b></span></span><br><br><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font style="" color="#ffff00">further more on the Feb 19 post to his discussion tab claims, and i quote, <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">"</span></font></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> when I spoke to Josh we got to the mutual <b> asked to leave</b> status" [False] Gregorydillion was never asked to leave by anyone he stormed off.<br><br><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 0);"><span style=""></span><span style="">Gregorydillon, please try to communicate with me and tell me, Sid, and Qbit why you behaved the way you did and why you felt the need to leave out so many details and facts that actually occurred, I am up for ban my Tom for not leaving and through i appreciate you expressing yourself the community , this time i feel that i cannot ignore the actions you took because they have great effect on me in the Noisebridge community. <br><br><br><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 255);"><span style="">Also, User:HelloHowardYou sent me a private email on Feb 19th (which i can provide as evidence) saying that he mediated this incident with you, this is a direct quote.<br><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""></span></span></span><span style="background-color: rgb(241, 194, 50);">"This morning I have spoken with Greg about what happened this morning,
and <span style="background-color: rgb(224, 102, 102);"><u>he recognized that he handles the situation with previous judgments
as he should have communicated more- in that when entering the space and
seeing people having turned the lights off he should have asked first
instead of imposing his actions onto everyone around. He also recognized
that his actions are antagonizing toward you, but rooting in the lack
of understanding and communication</u></span>. A standard protocol in dealing with
disagreements is when asked, both parties leave the space until it can
be either mediated through conversation or to ask the community at large
to assist in coming in terms of an agreement/solution. <span style="background-color: rgb(224, 102, 102);">As unfair as the
situation was, I believe the best procedure is to reach out to Greg and
come to a terms of solution. As of this morning, he has agreed to not
come back to the space until <span tabindex="0" class="aBn" data-term="goog_1742902450"><span class="aQJ">next Tuesday</span></span>
if you are willing to do the same</span> <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">(no i was not willing but he decided to stay away from the space anyway)</span></span> (no more morning check-ups<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">(authoritarian domineering pacing up and down the space with his camera phone out in anticipation to take a picture selectively amoung the people in the space of anyone who is napping or dosed off and then getting on his wiki survalence blog to write about it </span></span>). Instead
of resorting to two people being absent from the space, an open line of
communication may help assist with arriving at a win/win situation. <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="">(i was never once been contacted my Gregory)</span></span>"<br><br>Randomly running into User Flamsmark at Noisebridge and asking to speak with him regarding ban proposals i had put forth and my pseudonym not being used even after notifying Gregorydillon multiple times and asking 3 different Council Members to tell him as well when he did not comply due to security risk it causes me. Eight minutes into the conversation which happened when the meeting was done. Conversation went something like this: <br><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(61, 133, 198);">User:Flamsmark: "N0_Hat is it true that you did not leave when User:GregoryDillon asked you to leave?"<br>N0_Hat: "Yes, but he did it for no reason."<br>User:</span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color: rgb(241, 194, 50);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(61, 133, 198);"><span style="background-color: rgb(241, 194, 50);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style=""><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(61, 133, 198);">Flamsmark "</span></span></span></span></span> N0_Hat i am asking you to leae Noisebridge right now"<br>N0_Hat: "But why? i havent done anything wrong"<br>User: Flamsmark "Doesn't matter please leave Noisebridge immediately."<br>N0_Hat: "I need a bit of time"<br>User: Flamsmark "You have 10 munutes" <br>N0_Hat: (starts packing belongings into research project handhelf briefcase and laptop into a second case used to carry netbook and external hardrives. Sid leaves Noisebridge with me and carried my laptop briefcase)<br><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 0);"><span style="">(witness of this even taking place: Qbit and Sid)</span></span><br><br></span></span></span></span></span></span><span><46b76da87dd1f6d1fa054b7b595948f0.jpg></span>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>