<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Whoops, reply to all, not just to Ronald,<br><br></div>No, a democracy is when everyone gets an equal vote and the majority vote wins.<br><br></div>In my stupid idea there's a randomized element where one person's vote is worth more than everyone
else's. They are just as powerful towards pushing through things that would be otherwise blocked as they are towards blocking things that would be otherwise pushed through.<br></div><div><br></div>I believe this would drastically cut down the time spent trying to achieve consensus, and if the matter were re-opened at another meeting, the likelihood of the same person having the "special vote" status would be quite low.<br>
<br></div><div>It's also worth noting that many people on this list seem to be saying "<b>consensus</b>" when they actually mean "<b>unanimity</b>". Consensus, by definition, does <b><i>not </i></b>mean 100% agreement by everyone involved, but rather a general or majority agreement.<br>
<br><a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus</a><br><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consensus">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consensus</a><br>
<a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consensus">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consensus</a><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus_defined">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus_defined</a><br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Cheers,<div style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:12px;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px">
- Drew.</div><div style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:12px;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ronald Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">That's a democracy not consensus. Any 1 member can block but that might work. Either way requires us to be more vigilant and present in the space.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Feb 26, 2014 1:51 PM, "Drew Smith" <<a href="mailto:drew@riotnrrd.com" target="_blank">drew@riotnrrd.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Here's a stupid idea I had:<br><br></div>How about at each meeting, at the counting of attendees, all names of those in attendance go into a hat (ideally software). The total number of attendees is the variable N.<br>
<br>One name is picked from the hat. That person is now special, and their votes on concensus items count for N/2 votes, rounded down.<br><br></div>Concensus is declared when there are N votes for a concensus item.<br><div>
<div><div><br></div><div>A functional example; say there are 22 people at the meeting. Dave's name is drawn at random, so he is worth 11 votes. He does not have enough power to push through something by himself, but he does have the power to override some blockers. A vote to ban someone comes up, and without Dave's vote the tally is 18 votes for the ban and 3 votes against - Dave's vote is worth 11 votes, and he votes for the ban, so the final outcome is 29 votes for, 3 against, with concensus declared at 22 votes.<br>
<br></div><div>Thoughts? What about if the special person received N/3 votes? Some other number?<br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Cheers,<div style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:12px;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px">
- Drew.</div><div style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:12px;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px">
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