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<div dir="ltr">If how you categorize the state of Noisebrridge is true then it is a problem. And it needs to be dealt with. By getting rid of the people doing it. No one should be harassed while they are here. But I have a feeling that the numbers have been run through the grapevine and exaggerated. I don't see Noisebridge as a place where people fear for their lives and bodily integrity. That is so far away from what actually goes on in the space. Furthermore that narrative keeps people away from the space. It is damaging and needs to stop. Don't stretch the truth and paint a false picture of danger, harassment, and misogyny to would be Noisebridgers. It's just not the case. </div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Alright, let's just ignore everything you said about women. Let's just ignore it completely, and focus on the idea that you think Noisebridge is a safe place. For ANYONE.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I really think Mala said it best, over eight(!) months ago:</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap">I think pretty much that Noisebridge would die tomorrow if we to take the
extreme action of telling people who are all about the injecting, or the
unzipping, or the nazi tattooing, and asked them never to come back. It's
almost certain to me that people to inject or unzip or white power
tattoo-wield, are the lifeblood of any hackerspace.</pre></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap">What I mean to say here is: WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT THE LIVING, FUCKING FUCK
FUCK THE FUCK?
Are you people so *INSANE* that you think that ANY OF THIS is acceptable
behaviour ANYWHERE?</pre></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Followed by Mala ragequitting. He didn't quit just because he heard some rumors of "what actually goes on in the space" or got taken in by "the narrative." It's just not a credible argument.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Noisebridge is and has been, even before the Oogles found it, best described as "sketchy as fuck" on a good day. It only took me two goes at the roulette wheel that is an NB visit before a guy dressed in nothing but surgical scrubs showed up and started sniffing people and babbling about the four corners of the universe, and that was in 2011. There's been people with stolen credit cards offering to buy pizza for everyone in the space. There's been rats. Methheads. There's been people sleeping on the elevator, even getting stuck in the walls. This isn't normal or safe behavior, and it's gone on for years, without end. The fact that you seem to think that this is about "kicking out the people doing it" misses the point that there is and has been an endless supply of "people doing it" and as soon as you kick some old ones out, you're not solving the problem -- you're just making room for some new ones to come in.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You don't need to point to any one particular group of people and say that because they feel bad, the rest of Noisebridge has to be dragged through unnecessary ritual of penance. Noisebridge looks sketchy as fuck to any random person coming off the street, and you don't need to be a woman, a child, a midget or a human centipede to notice that and not want to be there.</div>
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<br></div><div>Will.</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM, LinkReincarnate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:linkreincarnate@gmail.com" target="_blank">linkreincarnate@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Times"><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap">nice to know victims of sexual assault now equal babies.</pre>
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A swing and a miss. It's a metaphor. There aren't any babies. No babies here. No steak either. </div><div><br></div><div>You talk a lot for other people and seem to think the every victim of sexual assault lives their lives in fear of possibly hearing an off color joke. And that someone using a word you don't like constitutes a hostile area. Your opinion is your own and not representative of everyone's.</div>
<div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Times"><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap">and these are jokes at the
expense of victims</pre></span></div><div>Oh I'm sorry I forgot about the tragic Human Centepede victims at Noisebridge. How could I have been sooo insensitive to their needs. You're right, I am a monster. </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Times"><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap">incidents of assault
have happened multiple times and harassment has been a lot more common than that.</pre></span><div>Please point me to the specific complaints. Multiple can be 2-infinity. I have not seen or head of a lot of harassment. I said there were two incidents. 1 genuine case and one misunderstanding (others may disagree with that categorization but none of us were there so we are all sort of guessing) but that's all that I know of. Did I miss some?</div>
<div><br></div><div>If how you categorize the state of Noisebrridge is true then it is a problem. And it needs to be dealt with. By getting rid of the people doing it. No one should be harassed while they are here. But I have a feeling that the numbers have been run through the grapevine and exaggerated. I don't see Noisebridge as a place where people fear for their lives and bodily integrity. That is so far away from what actually goes on in the space. Furthermore that narrative keeps people away from the space. It is damaging and needs to stop. Don't stretch the truth and paint a false picture of danger, harassment, and misogyny to would be Noisebridgers. It's just not the case. </div>
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