<div dir="ltr">That ignorance came from trust. I trusted, and I tried. Then I trolled because I could not speak, and I still am unable to speak. But, I am moving on from it.<div><br></div><div>I am moving on from all of this stuff. I will try my hardest.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 March 2014 14:18, Elizabeth Hubbard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emhubbard28@gmail.com" target="_blank">emhubbard28@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Charles, you make brilliant points often. Here's what good I think is being caused by this. I don't identify as a white person (I do as a human and my mental avatar is Samuel L. Jackson), and therefore feel it's really lame for folks to tell others how to think and what groups they can and can't join and that I'm an asshole for wanting to join demographically uniform groups just because I don't fit neatly into one group or another. You wrote the word "trans-racial" I think, and I was like, "That's the word for it!" I'm not physically changing my appearance, but my brain just doesn't feel like a white female's brain. Some part of it is male, and African American (all of us have African ancestors). Doesn't help that I'm often excluded by a variety of people from my parents' ethnic groups. It's not a matter of disrespect; if you followed me around for a year, you'd understand.<div>
<br></div><div>Also, does this mean there's an impasse on all the crazy drama that has been permeating the mailing list since before I ever set foot in NB?</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Charles Tang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cjtang1@asu.edu" target="_blank">cjtang1@asu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">It's the name of a group. I had thought that it really wasn't exclusive to men. I had thought that it was attempting to pull men into feminism. An attempt to deterritorialize boundaries. I poked fun at the group once, and there was a serious reaction to it. <div>
<br></div><div>But, if you are all at conflict, what good does a group do?</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 18 March 2014 13:38, Elizabeth Hubbard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emhubbard28@gmail.com" target="_blank">emhubbard28@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">So, there's a choosing pool for feminism? Where do I sign up? Here I thought I was a feminist for the past 20+ years, now I have to go ask someone permission.</div>
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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Alexandra Glowaski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alex.glowaski@gmail.com" target="_blank">alex.glowaski@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Wat.<div><br></div><div>Can we get this off the list?</div><div><br></div><div>(inb4 free speech: we are not the government; communities are empowered to choose their constituents and set standards for communication.)</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emhubbard28@gmail.com" target="_blank">emhubbard28@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Not to be a kid about it (most kids don't quite think at this level yet), but going around telling people how they should identify themselves according to race and gender is highly ignorant and bigoted.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Adrian Chadd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adrian.chadd@gmail.com" target="_blank">adrian.chadd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">kids, please..<br>
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On 18 March 2014 13:24, Elizabeth Hubbard <<a href="mailto:emhubbard28@gmail.com" target="_blank">emhubbard28@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Nice to hear you laugh, but I'd never call my mother an asshole. I would<br>
> call you one three times in a row, though. Asshole, asshole, asshole.<br>
><br>
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> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Lupita Berries <<a href="mailto:garyberries@gmail.com" target="_blank">garyberries@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> Lol, I'm not your mom, you can stop acting like a child.<br>
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>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard <<a href="mailto:emhubbard28@gmail.com" target="_blank">emhubbard28@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
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>>> You're a disrespectful and delusional asshole. I can join whatever group<br>
>>> I want, because I identify as human. (Says so on my census data.) Maybe<br>
>>> you don't identify me as human, but you can go mind your own business.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Lupita Berries <<a href="mailto:garyberries@gmail.com" target="_blank">garyberries@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You can do whatever you want, but you can't stop others from calling you<br>
>>>> out as a disrespectful and delusional asshole.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Elizabeth Hubbard<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:emhubbard28@gmail.com" target="_blank">emhubbard28@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I can be a black panther if I want to be. Maybe a lone black panther<br>
>>>>> in my own home, but my labels are my own choosing and anyone who tells me<br>
>>>>> otherwise is going to get an ironic eyebrow and told to mind their own<br>
>>>>> business. Our labels are own business. Co-opting them from other people,<br>
>>>>> not our business.<br>
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