<div dir="ltr">Naomi, I wouldn't say your reasons are bullshit, but yeah, if your vote is important to you then you should have taken it more seriously.<div><br></div><div>Kevin, it's disingenuous to claim that the people who didn't vote automatically don't support the board, just as it would be for me to claim that all the non-voters would have supported the board members if they had voted. None of us are mind readers. The way we resolve things are by discussing them.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Naomi Most <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'd say the voting process was a bit more obscure than it should have been.<br>
<br>
The reason -- the very bullshit reason, I will readily admit, but here<br>
it goes -- that I didn't end up voting was because:<br>
<br>
* I was at a meeting where votes were being taken, and got to talking<br>
about something or other, and then the person taking votes was<br>
suddenly not there.<br>
<br>
* I thought, "Oh, I still have a week."<br>
<br>
* I didn't see anything on the list about voting, for a week (you can<br>
check the archives, there wasn't anything posted about voting that<br>
week). �I didn't know whom to contact (this is bullshit, I admit it),<br>
so I just waited and intended to go to the NB meeting.<br>
<br>
* Something came up (literally, I was sick) and I couldn't go to the<br>
NB meeting. �:p<br>
<br>
<br>
My lackadaisical attitude towards voting came mostly from the<br>
historical nature of the board being a symbolic group with no real<br>
responsibilities or power. �I do not think I am alone in that.<br>
<br>
<br>
IN THE FUTURE, board elections will need to be more in-your-face,<br>
involving posters and website blink-tags reminding people not just TO<br>
vote but instructing on HOW to vote.<br>
<br>
And I hope no one is going to argue that "it was on the wiki", because<br>
that is one of the most weedy, un-navigable pieces of information<br>
architecture I have ever seen.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--Naomi<br>
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> That's actually better turnout than at the last couple of elections, I<br>
> believe.<br>
><br>
> I'm hearing different things from different people. I want to address a few<br>
> things:<br>
><br>
> The polls were open for weeks, so I don't think you can say people weren't<br>
> given enough time to vote.<br>
> Kevin himself conducted the election, so I don't think you can say the<br>
> voting process was illegitimate.<br>
> Not only did the board members get elected, they got elected with between<br>
> 53% and 84% of the total votes in a system that doesn't even require a<br>
> majority to be elected, so I don't think you can say "Noisebridge members do<br>
> not support the board".<br>
><br>
> But Kevin, you'll always be able to come up with some goal-post moving<br>
> standard that people fail to live up to. If you say the board doesn't have<br>
> the support of Noisebridge, not that the alternative has *even less*.<br>
><br>
> -Al<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Kevin <<a href="mailto:bfb@riseup.net">bfb@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On March 26, 2014 10:59:17 AM PDT, Jeffrey Carl Faden<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > 13? Isn't that close to the amount of members Noisebridge has?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > > We're working on it.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > By the way, that "overwhelming support" came in the form of about 13<br>
>> > > actual people voting.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Just some food for thought....<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > --Naomi<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:55 AM, rachel lyra hospodar<br>
>> > > <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > > > I personally envision a transparent process, with time for<br>
>> > discussion and<br>
>> > > > space made for dissenting views to be heard and incorporated.<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > We sometimes have done this. We call this,<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > Consensus.<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > They told us it was radical and we said, we think it is an<br>
>> > interesting<br>
>> > > way<br>
>> > > > to make decisions. Call us radicals then.<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > If the board is empowered to do things they need at least reach<br>
>> > consensus<br>
>> > > > within themselves. The fact that there is dissent even within such<br>
>> > a<br>
>> > > small<br>
>> > > > group means that the solution needs some editing.<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > R.<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > ><br>
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>> That's about 50% turnout. Additionally, �the least voted for member of the<br>
>> BoD had the support of 7. A far cry from overwhelming support.<br>
>><br>
>> +1 to refactoring the board roster<br>
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