<div dir="ltr"><div>Rachel, do you think your mean-spirited sarcasm is inviting to dialog? Are you interested in having a dialog?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:40 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I wonder, Al, if you have any thoughts on the ideological tension between your statements 'community buy in is key' and 'not everyone will be completely satisfied'</p>
<p dir="ltr">One thing 100 percent consensus neatly solves is taking the factionalism out of who gets to have their way. Everyone does, not just whoever is in power.</p>
<p dir="ltr">You are clearly delineating that you are in power here, Al. Is your goal to use your power to get your way? From my point of view, that is what you are trying to do here. This could be out of ignorance, blindness, stubbornness, or a willfull belief that Father Al knows best.</p>
<p dir="ltr">You'll forgive me for finding the most hope in believing you to be, in this case, ignorant and stubborn.... since I sure don't believe in a paternalistic approach to life. I don't think Father Al knows best. I do respect you for trying, but call me crazy optimistic for hoping for you to grow, change. Maybe you should try putting up signs for meth like you did for graffiti... that worked, right?</p>
<p dir="ltr">I gotta take a break now, kids, I just admitted in public to respecting Al.</p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p dir="ltr">R.</p></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 26, 2014 11:30 AM, "Al Sweigart" <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com" target="_blank">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Madelynn and Tom articulated this better last night at the meeting, but I want to reiterate for people just following the list that these changes are not out of nowhere. We have been talking with individuals about how to fix Noisebridge's problems well before the election. Community buy-in is key. I don't want to dismiss the election results out of hand; it's not fair to the members who voted after being told the board would take an active hand at space improvements. This also doesn't mean the board is accountable to no one, but it does mean that not everyone will be completely satisfied with decisions being made (just like any group of people).</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:16 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I would like to apologize, it appears I was mistaken. It seems that the list was not trimmed, but that discussion of these fundamental changes did not take place online any place I am able to find, follow, or see, as a former board member, council member, member member, throbbing gristle member.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Community buy in for shifts is really key, people. The bigger the shift the more important this piece of the puzzle is. </p>
<p dir="ltr">It's never too late to work towards consensus.</p><span><font color="#888888">
<p dir="ltr">R.</p></font></span><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 26, 2014 6:08 AM, "rachel lyra hospodar" <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">I think it's interesting that sometime in the last month or so, someone has for the first time since i was added in 2010, gone through the board email list and trimmed out former board members. </p>
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