<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Danny O'Brien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="">Find proposals with large community buy in, expedite them (I can think
of half a dozen that have been floating around NB). Be open and
transparent about your actions and process; do solicit and consider some
feedback before you implement changes. Err on the side of caution, but
recalibrate as necessary. Rebuild the organization in a way that
reflects the good in the values and culture, not as something entirely
different.<br><br></div>Yep, this sounds about right, and my position also.<br><br>I'm still your loving treasurer, but I'm really not sure I can be a member any longer.<br><br>I have a long email draft sitting around here which might be useful, in which I helpfully offer to take off the hands of the current administration as many of the wild-eyed idealist, anarcho-bitcoin-decentralist-know-nothing, consensus-wielders, Plan 9 users, and social-system-experimenters as I can handily carry[1], and take them off to some other Promised Land where they'll be less of an annoyance. People can let me know off-list if they're interested in that.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Having written this I realise that it comes across as at best a bit of a non-sequitur, at worst undermining and sabotaging of the current process, so let me rephrase.<br><br>I (personally) don't really want to be a member of a board-driven Noisebridge, with beautifully written rules with top-down enforcement, not because it wouldn't work, but because for me the challenge of helping with Noisebridge was to do things that don't fall back on those ideas, but try to experiment with other models. I do a lot of things that are extremely effective using those systems, and I don't really need another one in my life. Also, they are not a panacea, and they have some really well known failure-modes, the solutions to which Dana has pointed out. I have dealt with too many failures in this model as well, and if I'm going to be upset and frustrated, it should be at least not be boring too.<br>
<br>Finally, one of the failure modes of both consensus and top-down is that people get *really* committed to them, and I wonder if it might be fun to find some other way to experiment with both governance and hackerness that doesn't involve a giant org with lots of vested interest.<br>
<br>I honestly have no idea if I (or anyone else) has the will to do this, but I had thought that once Norton Industrial Labs, Double Union and Noisebridge stabilise, if there's still people out there that feel they want a politically-diverse, decentralist, project-driven community based on principles of transparency, experimentation, eccentricity and cyperpunkery-bitcoiny-agoric-sciency axioms, that isn't satisfied by the current market, I'd be up for brainstorming it. I am not sure what it would be, but I have some ideas of what it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be as radically inclusive as Noisebridge, nor would it have an explicit social justice agenda as Double Union, but it would pursue liberation tech projects, and would not be dude-bro-reactionary-comfortable-in-pre-existing-prejudice. It would probably aspire to be a bit weirder than a standard, maker-friendly hackerspace, but more sensibly functional than Noisebridge at its weirdest. It would probably do things like Liquid Democracy, but only for 9 months, and then do Athenian Lottery-based Democracy for another 12. We might not have a rule against cameras, as with Noisebridge, but we might have a rule that we won't open until we fix the privacy-preserving camera problem. It would aspire, as Noisebridge did at one time, to be aiming for Iain M. Bank's Culture, but may end up being a bit more like the Zetetic Elench. <br>
<br>I somewhat assume that such a space would interest at max four people, but I may be wrong, and anyway what I am saying here right now is that you should not quit Noisebridge (I will not quit Noisebridge -- the DU people did not, and neither are the NIL folks, and I think one cannot ever quite Noisebridge entirely). But perhaps if your are frustrated by the coming changes, perhaps a better solution is not to endlessly fight at every turn with other people who are well-meaning but different, but to fork and pursue your own vision.<br>
<br>d.<br>ps how many of these ragequit emails is one supposed to write?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<br>d.<br>[1] and who aren't creepy<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>d.<br></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Dana <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dana-lists@sonic.net" target="_blank">dana-lists@sonic.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I've seen a co-op and several non-profits fail up close, this looks like end-stage, not a turn around.<br>
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Noisebridge is broken, but I'm skeptical that these actions will fix it. Instead I foresee more acrimonious squabbles, a further hollowed out membership and community, a space even less capable of supporting itself.<br>
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In wake of mentioned failures I've thought long and hard about how things might have happened differently. I honestly don't know if any of those orgs could turn around, I'm not sure if Noisebridge can, but I think I did learn how a board-driven reboot might be more likely to succeed:<br>
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Find proposals with large community buy in, expedite them (I can think of half a dozen that have been floating around NB). Be open and transparent about your actions and process; do solicit and consider some feedback before you implement changes. Err on the side of caution, but recalibrate as necessary. Rebuild the organization in a way that reflects the good in the values and culture, not as something entirely different.<br>
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I feel like I'm watching a bad re-run. So long discuss :-/<div><div><br>
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