<div dir="ltr">I was at the meeting for banning josh. Initially it was consensed upon 2 or 3 times but I kept continuing the discussion (as I was moderating). It was decided to put it off till the next week and I thought it was. I had 3 stand asides originally, including James. I kept asking because it felt like you wanted someone else to block and no one would actually do it. That was mildly unexcellent behavior. <div>
<br></div><div>As for the membership list, I think Tom removed the consensus item to rethink it or perhaps make it a board based decision. </div><div><br></div><div>Leif, please reread that email I sent to Jake. I want to respond in a less emotional manner so I plan on responding later. Basic thing: I believe that law enforcement (with our current society and the way humanity currently exists) should be contacted on a case by case basis. I would contact law enforcement if I found a dead body for example. That makes sense to me. lets talk sometime! </div>
<div><br></div><div>Jake same to you as to what I said to Leif. I do respect you but lets come up with solutions and find better ways. </div><div><br></div><div>I think I will write a not emotional blog post at some point addressing both of you since I completely agree with both of you in that is the way humanity should be and how I think we can get to that point. </div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:12 PM, maestro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maestro415@gmail.com" target="_blank">maestro415@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1...<br><br><br>Message ends<br>_______________<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br>On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Leif Ryge <<a href="mailto:leif@synthesize.us" target="_blank">leif@synthesize.us</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:<br>
>> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If<br>>> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person, a<br>>> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and<br>
>> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise. Sadly, I<br>>> think you're talking about me.<br>><br>> I think the informant part, at least, was likely referring to Ronald Cotoni<br>
> (who you and Al decided was a member over my objections[1]) since he is<br>> actually known to have been an FBI informant[2].<br>><br>> 1: <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html</a><br>
> 2: <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html</a><br>><br>> I do think you're acting like a dictator. I don't have any reason to believe<br>
> you're a state-sponsored infiltrator, other than that your actions are<br>> consistent with someone intent on destroying a community organization and that<br>> is a thing states sometimes covertly do. It also seems plausible that you're<br>
> just doing this for the lulz.<br>><br>> I appreciate and agree with Rachel1.0's recent "assume good faith" message, and<br>> I generally try to do that. Unfortunately, I stopped doing that with you, Tom,<br>
> sometime last year when you told me quite plainly, in the context of a<br>> discussion about creating new policies at Noisebridge, that you are a "giant<br>> troll". You literally said to me "You do know that I'm a giant troll, don't<br>
> you?". (I was surprised to learn this, and said as much.)<br>><br>> I regret that I haven't spent much of my recent time and energy on preventing<br>> your bureaucratic process-trolling of Noisebridge. Living far away, as I do<br>
> now, has a lot to do with it, but I do still love Noisebridge and it saddens me<br>> to watch your attempts at destroying it.<br>><br>> My recommendation to the members of Noisebridge is to have a new board<br>
> election, and elect people who aren't process fetishists. You shouldn't need<br>> Tom's permission to do this, though I expect he'll tell you that you do.<br>> Removing Tom's membership would also be prudent, since he has clearly shown<br>
> that he doesn't respect our consensus process.<br>><br>> ~leif<br>><br>> ps: what's the story here?<br>> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844</a><br>
><br><br></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br><p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">~the quieter you become,
the more you are able to hear...</span></b></p><br>
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